Cantwell

[Keith H]

I have tried to track The Cantwells of Co. Offaly or Co King as it was then. They moved to Liverpool in the early 19th Cent. can any one help me all I get is yeas we can then some silly $ plus cash from the USA . The were C of I but more than likely change when the offer of better work was put to some one .

[Astoria]

I found a Betsey Cantwell on the 1841 census born Ireland resident Liverpool. I have a subscription to this site so post some more details and ask away.

[Keith H]

The Cantwells that I know of live at number 9 Pembroke street court . Rose Anne was my great grandmother. She was a star. My GG grandfather Evans could write on the day were married. She could and helped him to set up his carter business and Stable.

[Astoria]

Name: Rose Ann Conwell
[Rose Ann Cantwell]
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Alice
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: South Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Conwell 38
Annie Conwell 10
Joseph Conwell 38
Martin Conwell 8
Mary A Conwell 4
Rose Ann Conwell 13




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3482; Folio: 153; Page: 12.

Joseph was a Dock Worker

[Keith H]

You have put Conwell is that a typing error or a error on my part . I think I got the house numbers mixed the home wrong as in 1881 they were at no 4. William Cantwell was aged 63 he came from Ireland his wife Rose she was 62. Joseph one of the family was 19 a gain Porter.
William was born in Co Offaly in 1818 his father was John who was born in 1792 in Co (King) he was married to Bridet Brennan b1792 they married in 1810 . In 1881 Rose Anne Cantwell was a domestic servant at 29 Bevington Hill.
John's trade was a Taylor .
Sorry for the wrong house number

[Astoria]

1881 England Census 1881 England Census
Name: Rose Cantwell
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Wm.
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Pembroke St 8 CT 4 House
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Tailoress

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Cantwell 17
Rose Cantwell 62
Wm. Cantwell 63




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3619; Folio: 96; Page: 25; Line: ;

Joseph son unmarried Grocers Porter
Wm. Tailor

I found Rose Ann also, now I have the right bunch what do you want to find out. Do you have a marriage for Rose Ann?

[Astoria]

Marriages Sep 1885 (>99%)
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Cantwell Rose Ann W. Derby 8b 634
EVANS Charles W. Derby 8b 634
Smith Henry W. Derby 8b 634
Woods Sarah Alice W. Derby 8b 634

1891 England Census 1891 England Census
Name: Rose A Evans
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Eleanor Cantwell 14
Charles Evans 28
Charles Evans 2
Eleanor Evans 4
Rose A Evans 23




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2922; Folio 84; Page 18;

From the image

Civil Parish Liverpool -Municipal Borough Liverpool - Municipal Ward St. Annes - Ecclesiastical Parish - Holy Trinity

Address 17a Bidder Street
Number of rooms 2

Charles Evans 28 Carter
Rose A wife 23
Eleanor daug 4
Charles son 2

Eleanor Cantwell Sister in Law 14

Hope you don't mind Keith, I got a bit carried away.

[Procat]

Hi Keith,

Have you seen this site (http://www.familytreecircles.com/surname_CANTWELL.html)?

[Keith H]

Astoria spot on the Charlie's Evans Jnr became famous with Rob Wilton in that famous line the day war broke out. My grandfather was born after this date his name was John.

I knew my Aunt Eleanor she lived to the ripe old age of 90 . My Uncle Charlie I never meet.

Procat thank you for the web site . I hope it will help me.

[Keith H]

HOME GUARD
( THE DAY WAR BROKE OUT... )
by
Robb Wilton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=775DE0YkT3U

The day war broke out... my Missus said to me... she looked at me and she said, "What good are you?"
I said, "Who?"
She said, "You!"
I said, "How do you mean, what good am I?"
"Well..." she said, you're too old for the army..." she said, "you couldn't get in the navy... and they wouldn't have you in the air force... so, what good are you?"
I said," I'll do something!..."
She said, "What?"
I said, How do I know?... I'll have to think!"
She said, "I don't see how that's going to help you... you've never done it before!..." she said, "so what good..."
I said, "Don't keep saying what good am I," I said, "there'll be munitions."
She said, "How can you go on mun..."
I said, "I never said anything about going on munitions, I simply said... there'd be some!"
"Well," she said, "All the young fellas'll be getting called up and you'll have to go back to work!"
Ooh... she's got a cruel tongue!
Anyway, I haven't had to go back to work... I'm a lamplighter!
Then she turned round and she said, "Our Harry'll be getting called up... and when he's gone there'll only be his army around... so what are you going to do then?"
I said, "Well, I'll have to try and manage on it."
She said, "You'll have to try... what about me?"
I said, Well, there'll be my insurance."
She said, " I can't get that until you're dead!"
I said, "Well, you'll have to wait!"
She said, "What if I die first?"
"Well," I said, "you won't need it!"
You can't reason with her... she's got no brains at all.
Anyhow... I got fed up, so I went down to the local and there was a fella there... ooh, he was tight as a... and there was another fella... and one of them was filling in a form and he said to the other fella, he said, "Harry?... what's the name of the street outside this pub?"
So the other fella said, "The name of what?"
"The name of the street... outside the pub!"
The other fella said, "Oh I don't know... I've never been outside the pub!"
So I asked them what the form was they were filling in and he said it 'ad summat to do with the Home Guard and he read it out to me... and it said, 'Wanted, real men, men who are neither afraid of bombs, tanks, incendiary devices, high explosives or anything else... men who are ready to lay down their lives in any shape or form.'
I said, "Oh, then you're joining?"
He said, "Joining?... joining what?"
I said, "The Home Guard!"
He said, "Not me!"
I said, "Well then... what are you signing?"
He said, "I'm not signing... I'm dropping them a line to tell them, I'm not going, for one!"
But the first day I got my uniform of course, I was very proud of it... I went home and I put it on and the Missus looked at me and she said, "What are you supposed to be?"
I said, "Supposed to... I'm one of the Home Guards!"
She said, "One of the Ho... what are the others like?"
She said,"What are you supposed to do?"
I said, "I'm supposed to stop Hitler's army landing."
She said, "What!... you?"
I said, "No... there's Charlie Evans, Dick Roberts...
I said, "There's seven or eight of us, altogether."
I said, "We're in a group."
I said, "We're on guard in a little hut behind 'The Dog and Pullet'"
She said, "What's the good of being in a little hut behind 'The Dog and Pullet'" she said, "I suppose that was your idea!"
I said, "Aye... and that Charlie Evans wants to claim it as his!"
Then she turned round and said, "What have you got one stripe for?"
I said, "Well, I was keeping that as a little surprise!"
I told her, "As a matter of fact, Charlie Evans, Billy Brightride and meself, got one each."
She said, "Well, how did you come by them?"
I said, "Well, Tom Brierly, the sergeant, he got all browned off, fed up to the teeth, chucked it and gave us one each!"
Oh, we've all joined for the duration... that's of course unless it finishes before then. Oh, we might all be in the little wooden hut behind 'The Dog and Pullet' there, long after it's over... and it's very lonely, well that happened to me in the last war... I don't want to miss the next one.
But my Missus, she asks such foolish questions, she said to me, she said, "What are you supposed to be guarding?"
I said, "We're guarding the British Isles... we're guarding all the men, women and children, millions of 'em... and you!"
She said, "Oh, I see... then you're on our side?"
I said, "Well of course I am!..."
She said, "Well, I think we'd stand a far better chance if you were on the other side!"
She said, "Do you know this Hitler?... have you ever met him?"
I said, "Do I... of course I don't!"
She said, "Well how are you going to know which is him if they do land?"
I said, "Well, I've got a tongue in my head, haven't I?"
I said, "Who... "
Oh, look at the time, I should have been on guard a couple of hours ago... they'll be searching for me everywhere... I've left a hole in the coast exposed, you'll have to forgive me...

[Keith H]

Re Rose Anne
Spot on yes if you can find out any more details . My Grandmother died back in 1968 so all this is lost. My late Mother help but before I could seat her down fully she to past away. So the is lots of gaps. I know I will have lots of problems on the Hudson side be Jim-a - knee .
Thank you for all the help you have given . I would like to know who Charles Evans who married Rose Anne was married to first. He first wife died. I can not find anything on it any were.

[Astoria]

Here is the census with Grandad John

1901 England Census
Name: Rose Evans
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Evans 38
Charles Evans 12
Eleanor Evans 14
John Evans 9
Rose Evans 33




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3425; Folio: 12; Page: 16.


I think we now need to find out where Charles was in 1881 prior to his marriage to Rose.

1901 image shows them living at 19 Bidder Street and he is a Carter - something in brackets after this -could be General.

[Keith H]

When he got married his Father lived at 96 Stilt Street . Re the word in brackets yes it would have been General.