Looking for info on William Bowman

[greann]

Hi,
Can anyone help me? I am looking for information on the Parents of William Bowman. He was born 1825, I think Galston, Ayr. He died November 18, 1864. On his death records it states his parents as William and Mary Bowman.
Thanks,
Ann

[Kingetter]

Hi,
Can anyone help me? I am looking for information on the Parents of William Bowman. He was born 1825, I think Galston, Ayr. He died November 18, 1864. On his death records it states his parents as William and Mary Bowman.
Thanks,
Ann


Ann,

Have you any idea where he died? Also, were his parents still alive?

James.

[jane.harrison.9]

Hi Ann,
Do you know William's occupation ?
Jane

[greann]

Hi,
Thank you both for your interest.
William B. died Nov. 18 1864 Dulkeith, Edinburgh it does not state weather his parents were alive or not. He was 39 or 40 yrs when he died, so it is quite possible they were!!
He was an Iron Moulder and was married to Jane Wallace in 1847 Lanarkshire.
Thanks again,
Ann

[Lesley Robertson]

Hi,
Thank you both for your interest.
William B. died Nov. 18 1864 Dulkeith, Edinburgh it does not state weather his parents were alive or not. He was 39 or 40 yrs when he died, so it is quite possible they were!!
He was an Iron Moulder and was married to Jane Wallace in 1847 Lanarkshire.
Thanks again,
Ann

His death cert should give both his parents' names - does it not give his mother's maiden name?
I rather think that should be DAlkeith, a suburb of Edinburgh.
Have a look for him and Jane in the 1851 or 1861 census, then you'll at least get his birth parish, which should make finding his baptism easier.

Lesley

[greann]

Hi Lesley,
I have checked the 1841 - 1861 census, I'm thinking he and his brother's and sister were actually orphaned and living with relatives or adopted parents. On his birth certificate it states his mother's name as being Jean Dunlop. Not able to find a marriage. On his death certificate it states his mother as being Mary Boreland. Can't find a thing on either of these ladies......
Ann

[Lesley Robertson]

Normally, I'd say to trust the info on certificates given while the person in question was alive - death certs get less rliable with every generation's distance between the deceased and the informant. However, I can't find death certs for Jean/Jane Bowman-Dunlop or Mary Bowman-Boreland which is a bit worrying...

Where did he say he was born, in the census?

I'm beginning to think that his parents were among the 1/3 of the Borders community who were members of non-conformist churches....

Maybe you should look for marriage (if post-1855) or death certs for his siblings?

Lesley

[Mary Young]

Ann, you said William Bowman was born in Galston, Ayrshire, and the birth certificate shows his parents' as William Bowman and Jean Dunlop. Is this birth certificate a family paper, or an extract from the Old Parish Registers. I can't find this birth in the on-line IGI under Bowman or Dunlop.
Also, how do you know he had siblings? Please tell us their names and dob.

[greann]

Hi everyone,
I made a mistake. After looking into the census records, William Bowman was born in Lanarkshire. It was his son that was born in Ayr.
In the 1841 Census he is listed wih his brothers James -1829 Robert -1833 and sister Elizabeth 1831 all born Lanarkshire. They were all listed as stepchildren to Bernard and Martha Hair. Unfortunately, I can't find birth or marriages for any of William's siblings, but he did name two of his sons after his brothers.
The birth certificate I have was ordered from the GRO. I'm 100% certain this is the correct person now, His son Archibald Wallace Bowman was my Great Great Granddad.
Ann

[Mary Young]

Relationships were not on the schedule for the 1841 census, if you found "stepson" there it's very unusual.
Have you seen the original image for the Hairs in 1851? I only have access to the A****y index. it shows a William Brown, stepson (who may be William Bowman) still at home with the family and no sign of his wife. Unfortunately this index doesn't show marital status.
1851
132 King Street, Calton, Ayr
Bernard HAIR head, broker 44 Ayr
Martha HAIR wife 45 Glasgow
John BROWN stepson, broker 25 Glasgow
William BROWN stepson, broker 23 Glasgow
James BOWMAN stepson, iron moulder 22 Glasgow
Elizabeth BOWMAN stepdaur, at home 17 Glasgow
Robert BOWMAN stepson, teacher 15 Glasgow
Alexander HAIR son 9 Glasgow
Jane HAIR daur 7 Glasgow

If William Bowman was indeed stepson of Bernard Hair, then
(1) he was son of a previous wife of Bernard Hair, or
(2) his mother's name was MARTHA not JEAN or MARY. :)

[Lesley Robertson]

(3) Mrs Hair was Mary, not Martha.

There are no death certs for Martha Hair on SP. I wonder whether that's been mis-transcribed from Mary?
Mind you, there's not a lot of joy on d.certs for "Mary". There's only one who comes close - there's a Mary Hair aged 80 who died in 1884 in Airdrie, New Monkland, Lanark who has Bowskell as a related surname... There's another with Brown as a second surname who died in 1874, but she died on the other side of the country, in Tanent, East Lothian.
Of course she could have died before 1855..

Lesley

[Mary Young]

(3) Mrs Hair was Mary, not Martha.

A****y have her as MARTHA in 1841 and 1851.

[jane.harrison.9]

Think I have found William and Jane on 1861 living in West Dalkeith Midlothian. There is an Archibald Bowman age71 b Lanarkshire.living with them, listed on A*****ry as their son.Could this be an uncle or something?
Jane

[Lesley Robertson]

Think I have found William and Jane on 1861 living in West Dalkeith Midlothian. There is an Archibald Bowman age71 b Lanarkshire.living with them, listed on A*****ry as their son.Could this be an uncle or something?
Jane


With that friendly neighbourhood transcription serve, many things are possible..... He could even be aged 7 or 1. It would be best to look at the original image.

Lesley

[greann]

Hi All, thanks for all the intrest. Archibald Bowman age 71 in the census is actually their son. My great great granddad.
Ann

[lionelO]

Relationships were not on the schedule for the 1841 census, if you found "stepson" there it's very unusual.
Have you seen the original image for the Hairs in 1851? I only have access to the A****y index. it shows a William Brown, stepson (who may be William Bowman) still at home with the family and no sign of his wife. Unfortunately this index doesn't show marital status.
1851
132 King Street, Calton, Ayr
Bernard HAIR head, broker 44 Ayr
Martha HAIR wife 45 Glasgow
John BROWN stepson, broker 25 Glasgow
William BROWN stepson, broker 23 Glasgow
James BOWMAN stepson, iron moulder 22 Glasgow
Elizabeth BOWMAN stepdaur, at home 17 Glasgow
Robert BOWMAN stepson, teacher 15 Glasgow
Alexander HAIR son 9 Glasgow
Jane HAIR daur 7 Glasgow

If William Bowman was indeed stepson of Bernard Hair, then
(1) he was son of a previous wife of Bernard Hair, or
(2) his mother's name was MARTHA not JEAN or MARY. :)


The following clearly explains the 3 different names in the Hair family.

William Agnew and Elizabeth Docherty, parents of Martha Agnew, b. 1800. Martha 1st married in Glasgow, Scotland in 1822 to John Brown, her 2nd husband was Robert Bowman 1828, her 3rd husband was Bernard Hair m. 1831