Haynes, Gourd in villages of.........

[bwskog]

Where to begin...........I feel like I have so much garbage to wade through its almost insurmountable. I am trying to research our family history forward. From Walter Haynes born 1583 Wiltshire England. He left England in 1638 in the ship Confidence. He left one daughter behind Elizabeth (Not 100% on the name, but fairly certain) She married Roger Gourd in 1635 Shaftesbury, Dorset England.

Suppose to have inherited her father's house (probably in the husband's name) in Shaston. First question: is this a village? If so is it the same thing as Shaftesbury? Elizabeth died Jun 15 1659, Sudbury, London England.

2. Is there such a thing as Sudbury, London

3. What about Shorftsbury? Is this just bad spelling

4. What about Kilts? Is there a Kilts in England? or a Sutton Mansfield?

One account states the son-in-law inherited a tenement in Shaston, Dorsetshire England

5. What is a tenement? In the USA it means a "slum" surely would not want to inherit that! Thanks to anyone who can help Babs

[arthurk]

I think I can answer some of your questions:

1. I'm pretty sure I've come across Shaston as the local name for Shaftesbury. If someone more local doesn't come in on this, try looking for a local history or information site for Shaftesbury, which may confirm this.

2. Not as far as I know. There's Sudbury in Suffolk (some distance NE of London), and Sunbury (about 10-12 miles WSW of London).

3. Looks like someone's version of Shaftesbury to me.

4. I've never heard of a place called Kilts. Can you give more of a context? Mansfield is a town in Nottinghamshire, and there's a smaller place called Sutton (in full, Sutton-in-Ashfield) just to the west, so this is probably what is meant.

5. In Scotland a tenement is more or less what you describe, but in England, in an old document, it means a holding of a house and land.

Arthur

[Jan1954]

Suppose to have inherited her father's house (probably in the husband's name) in Shaston. First question: is this a village?

Yes - near Shaftsbury


2. Is there such a thing as Sudbury, London

Sudbury is an area of north west London - between Harrow-on-the-Hill and Wembley.


3. What about Shorftsbury? Is this just bad spelling

It looks like it to me.


4. What about Kilts? Is there a Kilts in England? or a Sutton Mansfield?

Don't know about Kilts but there's a Sutton Mandeville in Wiltshire, about 12 - 15 miles from Shaftsbury.


One account states the son-in-law inherited a tenement in Shaston, Dorsetshire England.
5. What is a tenement?

A building - not necessarily a slum :) but it could be a multi-occupancy building.


Hope this helps a bit.

[Alan Welsford]

2. Is there such a thing as Sudbury, London


I think I can answer some of your questions:
2. Not as far as I know. There's Sudbury in Suffolk (some distance NE of
Yes Sudbury is an area of Greater London lying west and perhaps slightly north of central London. It's near Wembley.

Alan

[Oops looks like I was beaten to it again]

[arthurk]

Sudbury is an area of north west London - between Harrow-on-the-Hill and Wembley.
Looks like I don't know everything |shakehead


Don't know about Kilts but there's a Sutton Mandeville in Wiltshire, about 12 - 15 miles from Shaftsbury.
Good point - Nottinghamshire did seem rather a long way away.

Arthur

[Jan1954]

Arthur - I only know about Sudbury as I work in Harrow-on-the-Hill. Otherwise I would have immediately thought of Suffolk :D

[bwskog]

Thank you everyone for a little more help in sorting out the mess in my genealogy search.

[arthurk]

Since Sutton Mansfield might turn out to be Sutton Mandeville, is there any possibility that Kilts might turn out to be Wilts (= Wiltshire)? We'd need to see a scan of the original document to give a proper opinion, and I appreciate that may not be possible.

Arthur

[Ffortune]

Hi
Roger Gourd is the brother of my 10xggf William Gourd who marries Ffortune Hayme. Currently my working assumption is that Elizabeth Hayme/Hayne is related somehow to Ffortune, sister/cousin etc.
I would be interested tio know if you have come accross Ffortune as I hope she may tie in with Sufferance Hayme & the Goodenoughs who emmigrated to the US.
reagrds Ffortune

[bwskog]

Do you have any documentation or a website I can go to to get this information. I do not mean to be a stickler with this, but there is so much misinformation out there I want to double check where yours came from and what year did William marry Fortune? Elizabeth Hayne(s) married Roger Gourd in 1635. What Parish did you get your information from? Wouldn't it be something if we were related? Are you in England? I think it would make us cousins of some sort.

[bwskog]

I discovered what I believe is the father of Roger a William Gourd(e) of Barcombe, Yeoman (I have no clue what this means) I also have the year 1596 as a birth and then under that 1619 and a Thomas Gourd(e). Dang did not take very good notes in this area because I thought it was a dead end.

Walter Haynes has six children: Sufferance, Josiah, Thomas, Mary, John and Elizabeth (I believe she was the eldest and the only one married at the time of their crossing to America)married to Roger G.

If Fortune Hayne is related she would have to be the Child of either John or William Hayne if it is the brother or cousin. These two fellows are the elder brothers of Walter Haynes.

[Ffortune]

Hi
Ffortune Hayme married William Gourd 17.10.1626 Donhead St Mary, Wilts which is 3 miles from Shaftesbury (source Bishops Transcripts). She was buried in Donhead St Andrew in 1686. A good number of the marriages in Donhead St Mary say that 1 or more parties are from Shaston (ie Shaftesbury)
So far I have not found Ffortune's christening. In Donhead Andrew there are 2 christenings for Haymes, Ursula 1590 & Grace 1627. Grace is d William, so it is possible that Ffortune is connected to them.
I would estimate Ffortunes birth as circa 1600-1606. Gillingham , Dorset has 3 Haymes Edward 1580, Johanna, 1584 & Susannah 1606 again a possible family

In terms of Sutton, Wilts has Sutton Benger, Sutton Mandeville, Sutton Veny & Sutton Waldron.
Could Sudbury be Studley which is in Wilts?
regards Ffortune

[Ffortune]

Hi
I would expect Yeoman in this context to mean a farmer who owned their land as distinct from one who farmed land owned by the manor. ie Freehold rather than Copyhold land
regards Ffortune

[SloopJB]

I was interested to see the name Haynes.

I have traced my family tree back to Edward Haynes of the parish of West Knoyle and Mary Troubridge of Norton Bavant who were married 21 Jan 1765, witnesses were Joseph Trowbridge and Thomas Clift.

Please can anyone add any further information such as the possible parents of this couple ?

Is there a connection with your families discussed above ?

SloopJB :)

[JFPriest]

For those of you with an Ancestry.com account you can find a transcription of the will of Alice Haynes at:
http://
search.ancestry.com/Browse/BookView.aspx?dbid=48087&pageno=941
http://
search.ancestry.com/Browse/BookView.aspx?dbid=48087&pageno=942
These links are to images of pages 941 and 942 comprised of an article titled Will of Alice Hayne, 1620 of Semley, Eng. Communicated by D. F. Haynes, Esq., Baltimore, Md. in the book "English Origins of New England Families, From The New England Historical and Genealogy Register, Second Series Vol. II" published in Baltimore Maryland by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. 1985.
Library of Congress Catalogue Card Number 84-81872
International Standard Book Number, Volume II: 0 8063 1093 6 Set Number 0 8063 1091 X

The author states "This will is written on one page of one leaf folio paper, not signed. It is preserved among the Salisbury Wills, P. P. C. London (Archdeaconry of Sarum). Dated 2d March 1620-1: proved by Walter Hayne the Exr, 2d March, 1623-4."

The author of the article also states "Semley is a parish in Wiltshire, four and three-fourths mile from Hindon (S. by W.) and about the same distance E. N. E. from Shaftsbury or Shaston in Dorsetshire, and in the vicinity of Sutton Mandeville and Wardour Castle."

[bwskog]

JF Priest...........oooooh you have sparked my interest to start looking again. Wonderful information thanks so much!

[JFPriest]

Were you able to open the links from Ancestry.com?
jp