Surname interest SIMKIN

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Just dropped into Suffolk via my Great Grandmother Mary Ann SIMKIN
If anybody else is researching the SIMKIN family any information or connections would be greatly appreciated.

Mary Ann SIMKIN b. 1839 Chevington, Suffolk. d. ? >1881
m. 1 Nov 1862 Rickling, Essex - John DELLER b. 1827 Quendon, Essex. d. ? <1881
Issue: Edmund 1865 - 1885: Walter George 1868: Lela 1871: John 1875(Grandfather)

Parents: (tracked on Cowlinge census from 1841 to 1881)
James SIMKIN b. 1811 Chevington d. ?
Emily ? b. 1815 Straddishall d. ?
m. ?
Issue:
Mary Ann b. 1839 Chevington
James b. 1842 Chevington
Lela b. 1848 Straddishall
Harriet Sophie b. May 1850 Cowlinge m. Hezethan CHOAT (from 1871 Cowlinge)
William Robert b. 1851 Cowlinge (on 1871 Ipswich St Stephens)
Emily Geoginia b. 1855 Cowlinge
Edmund Alfred b. 1860 Cowlinge

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That should be Stradishall

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Burial

Emily
SIMKIN
Date of burial: 19 Sep 1890
Age at death: 76
Calculated year of birth: 1814
Place of burial: Hundon All Saints



James
SIMKIN
Date of burial: 18 Mar 1891
Age at death: 80
Calculated year of birth: 1811
Place of burial: Hundon
All Saints

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Possible marriage, after starting to have children.


James Simkin
1845
Jun qtr.
Risbridge
County: Cambridgeshire, Essex, Suffolk
Volume: 12
Page: 583


lady on same page

Emily Ives

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|hug|What a star you are Suffolk Sue, and thank you very much indeed.

I did notice in the 1841 census that 'Amey the Housekeeper' was listed after Mary Ann, the first child, and wondered if that was the case.

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I wonder if James was married before, from Suffolk Marriage Index.

James SIMKIN of Chevington
Maria DOWNS

29th September, 1836 - Bury St. Edmunds, St. Mary


and the following burial



Maria
SIMKIN
Date of burial: 19 Mar 1841
Age at death: 35
Calculated year of birth: 1806
Place of burial: Chevington
All Saints




All speculation I'm afraid.

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There is a William and Amy Howe in Chevington in the 1851 census, have found the following marriage.

Amy Simpkin
1847
Dec qtr.
District: Thingoe
County: Suffolk
Volume: 13
Page: 1251


William Howe


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So possibily the "housekeeper" Amey in 1841 could be James sister.

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|hug|Once again Sue, thank for your help and 'speculation', which is a distinct possibility. But first things first. I have just ordered the birth cert for Mary Ann SIMKIN and that should confirm her mother’s name. If her mothers name is Maria DOWNS, I will then have to order birth certificates for the next two children James b.1841 and Lela b.1848, because Maria died in 1841. James, the second child’s birth, was registered in Thingoe/13/491 in Jun 1841. If this was a late registration, the possibility exists that Maria DOWNS was the mother of the first two children, and Emily IVES the mother of the remaining children. Hopefully the certificates should prove the ‘speculation’ one way or another.

Until the certificate arrives I will start the search for the parents of James SIMKIN. A tree on Ancestry UK indicates Robert SIMKIN b. 1775 d. 1846 Bury St Edmunds and Sophia RANSOM b.1751 Chevington d. 1866 Newmarket are possibilities. Any help in this direction would be most appreciated and very welcome indeed.

Happy hunting.

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Well, if Robert and Sophia do turn out to be James parents, the following was on Boyds marriage index.


1804 / SIMKIN ROB / RANSOM SOPHIA / CHEVINGTON / SUFFOLK

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|wave|Armed with Robert & Sophia I went back into 1841 census for Chevington and found:

Robert SIMKIN 65, Farmer
Sophia 60
John 25
Joseph 20
Harriet 15
Ann 15
Mary Ann TWENETT(?) 25
All born in county.

Checked family search and found all the children above, plus James, with parents of Robert SIMKIN and Sophia RANSOM(E)

James b. 13 Jan 1811 bapt. 10 Feb 1811 Chevington
John bapt. 19 Oct 1815 Suffolk County Bts
Joseph bapt. 29 Sep 1818 Chevington
Harriet b. 10 Jun 1821 bapt. 21 Jan 1822 Chedburgh
Ann b. 26 May 1824 bapt. 03 Jul 1824 Chevington

I think I have some more children to uncover if marriage was in 1804, which is looking good to me. Off to rearch for more children and also look in 1851/61 for Robert, Sophia and kids, but not holding my breath with Robert at 65+ and Sophia 60+.

This little gigsaw has a few more pieces yet to come out the box. But it is fun trying to find the little blighters|biggrin|

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Robert
SIMKIN
Date of burial: 26 Apr 1847
Age at death: 75
Place of burial: Chevington
All Saints




Sophia
SIMKIN
Date of burial: 9 Mar 1866
Age at death: 85
Place of burial: Chevington
All Saints

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Those two dates fit in well with the other bits and bobs that I have found as well.

Could not find Robert in 1851 but found Sophia as a 70 year old widow in Newmarket. She is also in 1861 at Chevington, this time she is listed as Mother to head, aged 81. She is living with her son Joseph, aged 43, which gives him a birth year of 1818, and that ties in very well with the family search data. Joseph is married to Rebecca and they have one child aged 3 named Charlotte R.

I also found following on family search which again tied in well with the 1804 marriage date:
Sophia b. 25 Apr 1805 bapt. 2 May 1805 Chevington
Robert b. 25 Jan 1807 bapt 6 Feb 1807 Chevington
Mary b. 18 Mar 1809 bapt 25 Mar 1809 Chevington
Amy b. 22 Feb 1813 bapt 1 Mar 1813 Chevington

Seeing as I only popped into Suffolk yesterday on this 'hunting spree' this little gigsaw is working very well, and your contribution is very much appreciated. Keep it coming, I just love getting this sort of assistance |wave|

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Again from Suffolk Marriage Index

Robert Simpkin
Mary Mayhew

15th November, 1832 = Chevington


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Sophia Simkin
James Mayhew

29th April, 1824 = Chevington



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Mary Simkin
Robert Jacob of Ixworth


30th September, 1834 = Chevington

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Marriage



Joseph Simkin
1846
Jun qtr.
District: Risbridge
Volume: 12
Page: 579


Rebecca Giblin

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|hug|What a 'one woman band' you are|wave|

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Onwards and backwards.

IGI has Sophia Ransome bap. 4th March, 1781 at Chevington, daug. of James and Amy.

Marriage on Boyds

1770 / RANSON JAS / BROOK AMY /CHEVINGTON, also on IGI = 16th November.

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Amy
RANSOME
Date of burial: 31 Jan 1832
Age at death: 94
Place of burial: Chevington
All Saints




James
RANSOME
Date of burial: 20 Jun 1785
Age at death: 39
Place of burial: Chevington
All Saints

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IGI has James Ransome bap. 24th August, 1745 at Chevington, son of Gooch and Bridgett.


and Boyds yet again has.


1737 / RANSOM GOOCH / NASH BRIDG / BROCKLEY / SUFFOLK


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This is a big supposition, but at a guess Gooch probably has his mothers maiden name, Boyds has the following marriage.

1702 / RANSON WM / GOOCH ELZ / BROCKLEY / SUFFOLK, also on IGI = 17th April.

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Again from Suffolk Marriage Index

Sophia Simkin
James Mayhew

29th April, 1824 = Chevington


I put "Sophia Mayhew" into keywords on Ancestry UK - Suffolk, England: Parish and Probate Records - and what did I find.

Suffolk: Ickworth - Parish Registers (Christenings, Marriages, Burials), 1566-1890

18 May 1834 Jeremiah son of James & Sophia Mayhew (late Simkin) of Ickworth Park, Labourer.
20 Oct 1837 Emily daughter of James & Sophia Mayhew (late Simkin) of Ickworth Park, Labourer.
09 Jun 1840 Sophia & James twin children of James & Sophia Mayhew (late Simkin) of Chevington, Labourer. Born 02
19 May 1844 Alfred son of James & Sophia Mayhew (late Simkin) of Chevington, Labourer.

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Gooch
RANSOME
Date of burial: 17 Oct 1780
Age at death: = not known
Place of burial: Chevington
All Saints

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Tis all adding up, tell me to buzz off if you've had enough.

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William
RANSOM
Date of burial: 23 Dec 1754
Age Not known
Place of burial: Brockley
St Andrew

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Tis all adding up, tell me to buzz off if you've had enough.

Now why would I do that! But I must worn you I am away all next week, doing my work for the month.

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A quick update. The certificate I ordered for Mary Ann SIMKIN did not match with father or suspected mother's name. I have ordered another certificate today, and hopefully, this one will prove positive, but it will be next week-end before I can post any details.

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Which cert did you receive, what were the parents names, just out of interest.

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GRO Ref: 1839/Dec/Newmarket/Vol 14/ Page 105 (entry 398)
Mary Ann SIMPKIN
Born: 1 Nov 1839 @ Fordham
Father: John SIMPKIN (Ag Lab)
Mother: Sarah SIMPKIN formerly LING
Regd: By father (made his mark X) on 3 Nov 1839

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I wonder if James was married before, from Suffolk Marriage Index.

James SIMKIN of Chevington
Maria DOWNS

29th September, 1836 - Bury St. Edmunds, St. Mary

and the following burial

Maria
SIMKIN
Date of burial: 19 Mar 1841
Age at death: 35
Calculated year of birth: 1806
Place of burial: Chevington
All Saints

All speculation I'm afraid.

Sue, looks like the 'speculation' was true. Received the following certificate this morning.

GRO Ref: 1840/Mar/Thingoe/Vol 13/Page 471/Entry 347
Mary Ann SIMKIN
Born: 13 Dec 1839 @ Chevington
Father: James SIMKIN (Thatcher)
Mother: Maria SIMKIN formerly DOWNS
Regd: By father from Chevington on 4 Jan 1840

Will now have to order the 'next' certificates to establish who was the mother for James (b. 1842) due to Maria'a death in 1841. Will keep you posted.

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I wonder if James was married before, from Suffolk Marriage Index.

James SIMKIN of Chevington
Maria DOWNS

29th September, 1836 - Bury St. Edmunds, St. Mary

and the following burial

Maria
SIMKIN
Date of burial: 19 Mar 1841
Age at death: 35
Calculated year of birth: 1806
Place of burial: Chevington
All Saints

All speculation I'm afraid.

Once again Sue your 'speculation' is spot on.

Just received the birth certificate for James Downs SIMKIN.
GRO Ref: 1841/Jun/Thingoe/ Vol 13/ Page 491/Entry 82
Born: 14 March 1841 at Chevington.
Father: James SIMKIN (Thatcher)
Mother: Maria SIMKIN formerly DOWNS
Redg: Mark of 'x' James SIMKIN, father, Chevington 10 Apr 1841

It is obvious where James second name came from and probably the reasoning behind him being given that name was her untimely death. It would appear that Maria died either during or shortly after giving birth to James. He was born on 14 March and Maria was buried on 19 March 1841. My thoughts only.

That more or less proves that Emily IVES was the mother for the third child Lela, born 1847, and the remaining 5 children born after 1847. It also explains the 6 year gap between the second and third child as she did not marry James until 1845. I was thinking along the lines of possible infant deaths for those 6 years.

I will have to search the 1841 census for James Downs SIMKIN. He would have been about 3 months old when it was taken and he was NOT recorded living with his father James or elder sister Mary Ann in the 1841 at Chevington.

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I did not think that James (the father) would let James (his son) be that far away just after the death of his wife Maria.

I searched the 1841 Chevington census and found a James SIMKIN, 3 month's old, living at the White House, Chevington with James and Sophia MAYHEW and their 5 children. (HO107, Piece 1037, Book 3, ED 5, Folio 6, Page 4)

Sophia is an Aunt to James (the son) being the eldest sister to James (the father). Their parents are Robert SIMKIN and Sophia RANSOME.

By 1861 James (the son) is back home living with James (the father) and his stepmother Emily IVES and 7 brothers/sisters from both marriages.

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Everything is becoming untangled. I did glimpse the fiche at Suffolk Record Office today of Chevington, baptisms c 1840ish, but to be honest they were rather faint so gave up in the end.

So will you get Marias death cert, most probably she did die in childbirth. Getting you to spend your money. LOL

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From the NBI = Chevington

SIMKIN

William Ive, infant = 6th September, 1846

Samel William, infant = 4th February, 1850

Robert, infant = 26th July, 1846

Edwin Giblon, infant = 13th March, 1854

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Just been rechecking all my SIMKIN notes and have come across this scribbled note on my pad, but I cannot think where I got the data from.

My scribbled note is:
Robert SIMKIN b.1775 d.1846
m1. Mary ELY b.1768 d.Jun 1803 Bur.27 Jun 1803 Chevington.
m2. Sophia RANSOM b. 1781 d.1866

I have recorded all the details for Robert & Sophia, it is m1 that I am concerned about, as I do not have that in my family history programme.

It would be appreciated if someone could confirm if the information at m1 is correct.

Rod