Musicians and Singers

[Sandyhall]

Hi there

Is there anyone who can help? where do I look for info on some one who was a Professional Musician and Singer in the 1880's.

I have Alice Kate Moss b1860 East/West Ham, Essex on the 1881 census as a Professional musician and singer. She married Robert Little Radcliff a solicitor in 1881, after the census was taken. Found her on 61,71 & 81 census but can't find her after this.

Thanks for any help anyone can give
Sandy

[SBSFamilyhistory]

Hi Sandy

I have not found Alice but I have found Robert in the 1881 Census, well I think this is him

Name: Robert L. Ratcliffe
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Mile End, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: 208 Romford Rd
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Solicitor

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 40


the image shows a "t" but no "e"

sorry that I could find Alice for you but who knows they may have moved abroad or dare I say it even died.

ohh was Equity around then or perhaps you could looking for programmes from around that era, varitety hall etc

[suedent]

Hi there

Is there anyone who can help? where do I look for info on some one who was a Professional Musician and Singer in the 1880's.

I have Alice Kate Moss b1860 East/West Ham, Essex on the 1881 census as a Professional musician and singer. She married Robert Little Radcliff a solicitor in 1881, after the census was taken. Found her on 61,71 & 81 census but can't find her after this.

Thanks for any help anyone can give
Sandy

Here she is in 1891

Robert L Ratcliff Head M 37 Solicitor London Mile End
Alice K Ratcliff Wife M 30 Essex East Ham
Dorothy Ratcliff Dau 8 Essex Stratford
Kitty Ratcliff Dau 7 Harolds Wood Essex
Margret Ratcliff Dau 6 Harolds Wood Essex
Lauria G Edwards Serv 19 General Servant Essex Barking
6 Shrewsbury Road, East Ham, Essex
RG12/1339 ED 7 Folio 124 Page 3 Sched 15

Surname indexed as Ratecliff, Alice as Rice K!!

It looks the the 1890s were busy for Alice

Alice K Hubbard Head W 40 Licensed Victualler Essex East Ham
Kitty Ratcliff Dau S 19 Essex Stratford
Dorothy Ratcliff Dau S 18 Essex Harold Wood
Margaret Ratcliff Dau S 16 Essex Harold Wood
Mary Leonard Serv S 38 Domestic Cook Wolverhampton
Mary Moss Niece S 18 Assistant to Licensed Victualler Essex East Ham
16 Goswell Rd, Finsbury, London
RG13/263 ED 26 Folio 128 Page 12 Sched 59

[suedent]

Now this is curious, I thought I'd look for Robert's death to work out when Alice remarried - this is what I found:

Deaths Sep 1906 Ratcliff Robert Little 53 Bethnal G 1c 132

After a bit of digging I found Robert in 1901

Robert L Ratcliff Head M 47 Solicitor Out of Practice Stepney, London
Emma M Ratcliff Wife M 32 Northumberland Newcastle on Tyne
John B Ratcliff Son S 4 Surrey Weybridge
William H P Ratcliff Son S 2 London Lambeth
Joyce Ratcliff Dau S 1 London Lambeth
RG13/406 ED 9 Folio 104 Page 2 Sched 402
143 Lambeth Road, Lambeth, London
Indexed as Rateliff

He's obviously come down in the world as he's sharing with 2 other families.

Here are the second marriages:

Alice Kate Ratcliff/Alice Kate Moss Q4 1895 Dover 2a 1971 Spouse: Charles John Hubbard

Robert Little Ratcliff Q4 1895 Chertsey 2a 82 Spouse: Emma Marie Edwards

This could be the death of Charles Hubbard - no idea why there are two entries.
Charles John Hubbard Q4 1897 Age at Death: 39 Hackney 1b 368a
Charles John Hubbard Q4 1897 Age at Death: 39 Hackney 1b 365

You're in luck the divorce papers are at the National Archives;

Item details J 77/531/16238
Divorce Court File: 16238. Appellant: Alice Kate Ratcliff. Respondent: Robert Little Ratcliff. Type: Wife's petition [wx].
Covering dates 1894
Availability Open Document, Open Description, Normal Closure before FOI Act: 30 years
Held by The National Archives, Kew

[Sandyhall]

Good morning

well you lot (in the nicest possible way) have just blown me away, I've been looking for them for ages (not looking in the right place obviously)

But then I am off to get my eyes tested this afternoon. lol

Thanks Sandy

[Sandyhall]

Hi SBS|hug|

Thanks I had found this entry for Robert in the 1881 census.

Hi sue|hug|

Thanks I did know about Robert's death in 1906
But didn't know about the divorce.

I have found a cousin who is in America, she's had no luck finding them either she will be so pleased.

Once again thank you
Sandy

Not all angles have wings

[SBSFamilyhistory]

Sandy you can get the records on A amended so that they show the correct names. I cannot remember how to do it at the moment but I think it was quite easy when I did it earlier this year..


Sue, yes another Sue