WHO WERE MATTHEW ANDERSON BORN 1853 PARENTS?

[janz]

;)COULD SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME REGARDING MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER MATTHEW ANDERSON BORN1853 DIED 1891 BORN IN DURHAM HARWOOD AND LIVING IN CLEATOR MOOR CUMBERLAND WHEN HE PASSED.I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW THIS FAMILY IS RELATED TO THE RUMNEY FAMILY AS MY GREATGRANDMOTHER WAS NAMED MARTHA RUMNEY ANDERSON SO I WAS WONDERING IF RUMNEY COMES FROM HER MOTHERS OR FATHERS SIDE.THANKYOU FOR ALL YOUR PREVIOUS HELP BEING IN AUSTRALIA FINDING THIS WEBSITE HAS BEEN A GODSEND
JANET RIGG|wave|

[suedent]

Hi Janet,
the best way to find for certain who Matthew's parents are is to apply for his marriage certificate & then his birth certificate. I have left instructions on your other thread about the Rumney family

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24553

It costs 7GBP and will come direct from the General Register Office.

This looks like a likely marriage given the birthplace of Maria & the older children
Marriages Dec 1874 ANDERSON Matthew/STOUT Maria Alston 10b 735

Once you have the marriage certificate which will give the name of Matthew's father you can then send for his birth certificate
This looks likely given Matthew's birthplace of Middleton.

Births Sep 1852 Anderson Matthew Teesdale 10a 127

Matthew died about the beginning of 1891
Deaths Mar 1891 Anderson Matthew 38 Whitehaven 10b 449

1901
Maria Anderson Head Wid 44 Cumberland, Alston
John Anderson Son S 24 Iron Ore Miner Cumberland Alston
Martha Anderson Daur S 18 Housemaid (Domestic) Cumberland Cleator Moor
Matthew Anderson Son S 16 In Linen Mill Cumberland Cleator Moor
Thomas Anderson Son S 14 In Linen Mill Cumberland Cleator Moor
Mary Anderson Dau S 6 Cumberland Cleator Moor
55 Trumpet Terr, Cleator Moor, Cumberland
RG13/4895 ED 3 Folio 71 Page 9 Sched 55

1891
Maria Anderson Head W 34 Cow-Keeper Cumberland Alston
Nicholas V Anderson Son S 16 Iron Miner Cumberland Alston
John J Anderson Son S 14 Iron Miner Cumberland Alston
Sibyl Anderson Dau 12 Scholar Cumberland Alston
Martha R Anderson Dau 8 Scholar Cumberland Cleator
Mathew W Anderson Son 6 Scholar Cumberland Cleator
Thomas H Anderson Son 4 Scholar Cumberland Cleator
55 Trumpet Terr, Cleator Moor, Cumberland
RG12/4317 ED 3a Folio 95 Page 28 Sched 147

1881
Matthew Anderson Head M 29 Iron Ore Miner Durham Harwood
Maria Anderson Wife M 23 Cumb Garrigill
Nicholas V. Anderson Son 6 Scholar Cumb Garrigill
John J. Anderson Son 4 Cumb Garrigill
Tibb Anderson 2 Cumb Garrigill
Sarah J. Anderson 9mo Cumb Cleator
Simon Stout Boarder U 22 Iron Ore Miner
4 Trumpet Rd, Cleator, Cumberland
RG11/5191 ED 3 Folio 110 Page 34 Sched 145

This looks like a likely candidate for your Matthew in 1871
John Anderson Head M 47 Farmer of 23 acres & Lead Ore Miner Durham Middleton
Jane Anderson Wife M 48 Durham Middleton
Matthew Anderson Son U 18 Lead Ore Miner Durham Middleton
Elizabeth Anderson Daur 15 Cumberland Alston
John Anderson Son 13 Scholar Cumberland Alston
Sarah Anderson Daur 10 Scholar Cumberland Alston
Adam W Anderson Son 7 Scholar Cumberland Alston
Shell Wall, Garrigill, Alston, Cumberland
RG10/5199 ED 2 Folio 39 Page 1 Sched 2

And again in 1861

John Anderson Head M 37 Lead Miner Durham Middleton
Jane Anderson Wife M 38 Durham Middleton
Martha Anderson dau 11 Scholar Durham Middleton
Matthew Anderson Son 9 Scholar Durham Middleton
Elizabeth Anderson Dau 5 Cumberland Alston
John Anderson Son 3 Cumberland Alston
Sarah Anderson Dau 11 Mo Cumberland Alston
Shell Wall, Garrigill, Alston, Cumberland
RG9/3898 ED 11 Folio 46 Page 1

[suedent]

Looking for the 1851 records I have come across a bit of a puzzle which might explain the Rumney/Anderson connection.

I looked for a Martha Anderson born circa 1850 in Middleton, parents John & Jane & came up empty. I then looked for any Martha parents John & Jane & up popped a Martha Rumney.

I then checked the births index & there isn't a Martha Anderson but there is a Martha Rumney!
Births Jun 1850 Rumney Martha Teesdale 24 403

Mann Gill, Forest and Frith, Durham
HO107/2387 ED 10a Folio 700 Page 2 Sched 3-5
Sched 3
John Rumney Wife M 26 Lead Miner Durham Middleton
Jane Rumney Head M 27 Durham Middleton
Martha Rumney Daur 1 Durham Middleton
Sched 4
John Rumney Head Widr 74 Lead Miner Durham Middleton
Margery Rumney Dau U 38 Durham Middleton
John Rumney G.Son U 17 Durham Middleton
Hannah Rumney G.Daur 11m Durham Middleton
Joseph Rumney Son Mar 36 Lead Miner Durham Middleton
Hannah Rumney Daur in Law Mar 36 Durham Middleton
Hannah Rumney G,Daur 4 Durham Middleton
Mary J Rumney G,Daur 3 Durham Middleton
Sarah Rumney G,Daur 11mo Durham Middleton
Sched 5
John Rumney Head Mar 48 Lead Miner Durham Middleton
Mary Rumney Wife Mar 46 Durham Stanhope
Hannah Rumney Daur U 20 Durham Middleton
Elizabeth Rumney 11 Scholar Durham Middleton
John Rumney G.Son 2 Durham Middleton
Jacob Bainbridge Son in Law Mar 24 Lead Miner Durham Middleton
Phabe Bainbridge Daur Mar 23 Durham Middleton
Jacob Bainbridge G.Son 1m Durham Middleton

One possible explanation for this is that Matthew's father was illegitimate & used either Anderson or Rumney as surnames. It wasn't that uncommon & I have a few that have done this in my family & it makes tracking them down fairly tricky.

Here are the Rumneys and Andersons in 1841 all living beside each other again, it looks more & more likely that this is where the connection is

Ratten Row
John Anderson 30 Lead Miner
Hannah Anderson 30
John Anderson 9
Mary Anderson 8
Thomas Anderson 3
William Anderson 1
//
Manor Gill
John Rumney 60 Lead Miner
Hannah Rumney 65
Joseph Rumney 25 Lead Miner
Margerey Rumney 25
/
John Anderson 15 Lead Miner
John Rumney 7
Hannah Rumney 1
//
John Rumney 35 Lead Miner
Mary Rumney 35
John Rumney 15 Lead Miner
Phoebe Rumney 13
Hannah Rumney 10
Elizabeth Rumney 1
(All born Durham)
Middleton in Teasdale, Durham
HO107/306 ED 9 Book 2 Folio 5 Page 5

There is a submitted entry in the IGI which is worth checking out
John Rumney Birth 9 Feb 1824 Middleton in Teesdale, Durham
Death 12 Nov 1902
Parents: John Anderson & Betty Rumney

Another submitted entry gives the baptism date as 6 June 1824 Middleton in Teesdale, Durham and death as 12 Dec 1902 Mother Elizabeth Rumney

Normally I would say taken submitted entries to the IGI with a pinch of salt, in this case given the census evidence I would say that it is certainly worth checking out.

There is also a submitted entry for Martha Anderson born 26 Aug 1848 Middleton in Teesdale
Death 14 Dec 1880 Parents John Rumney Anderson & Jane Watson

The same submitter has an entry for your Matthew:
Birth 29 Jun 1852 Middleton in Teesdale
Christening 25 Dec 1852 Middleton in Teesdale
Burial: 5 Jan 1891 Garrigill, Alston, Cumberland

There is a pedigree resource file for Matthew Rumney (Anderson) with 2 different submitters, one in NZ and the other in the USA. It might be worth trying to contact them.
It gives his birth date as 29 Jun 1852 Middleton in Teesdale
Death 5 Jan 1891
Marriage to Maria Stout 8 Oct 1874

This seems to fit with what I've found so far & they may well be able to help you further.

[Ken Cooke]

To 'Janz'- Janet Rigg, post of Oct 2007
Janet, are you still in touch ? I'm also descended from the Stouts (who came from the West Allen) but my line returned from Alston and went on to Durham.
I have traced your line, some went to the Isle of Man and some returned to
Whitehaven. Maria Stout b.1857, dau of John & Sybil Moore, John's father was William (m. Mary Todd) his parents John & Tamar Cooper, his were John 1716-66 & Eliz Lee. John's parents were Christopher abt 1690-1753 of High Shield m. Ann Liddle.
Then another Chris. then John & Christr again.
The earliest were in the Muster of Henry VIII of 1538 & Survey of 1547.
I'm descended from John's (1716) brother William, of Middle Brae W Allen.
One of Wm's sons, Thomas 1757-1803 stayed in Nenthead (still there today)
while your line settled in Garrigill.
You seemed to be searching for the Andersons, so you may know all about the Stouts. By the way, Maria's sister Sybil mar. Nich. Anderson, I believe Matthew's brother.
If you haven't found any in the Census of 1841, 51, they may have been on I. of Man in lead, copper & iron mines.
My gr. gr. g'father Joseph Stout came to Australia in 1856. My mother was a Stout.
Regards,
Ken Cooke