1841 census lookup request

[r-careys]

Hello Forum,
I am wondering if someone could please lookup the 1841 census for a Moses Harris.
I have found a Moses Harris death in free bmd in 1866 in Epping aged 77
This age fits with my Thomas Harris b c1812 in London, son of Moses Harris.
I can't find Moses in london and this could be why.
Thankyou in anticipation.

Regards
Russell

[Copper]

I could not find your Moses in the 1841 or 1851 index for Essex. Just in case you have not got him in 1861 he was here -

RG9/1076 Fol 50
Billericay, Great Burstead, Essex
Moses Harris, age 72

I assume that you have eliminated the Moses Harris age 55 in London 1841? See HO 107/ 710/13 Fol 37

[DebbieAnn]

I think Russell's Moses Harris was a waterman. The Moses Harris in Great Burstead was a basket maker.

Debbie

[Copper]

Ah I did not have that info when I did my search.

Moses might have changed his occupation in old age - some of mine did that. This leads too another question - if there is another Moses in Essex of the right age in 1861 how do we know that the death in Free BMD is for Russell's Moses?

[DebbieAnn]

When Moses' son married in 1862, he listed his father's occupation as 'waterman' but no mention was made of him being deceased. Other postings of Russell's fill in the blanks - do a forum search on 'Moses Harris' to find it...

Debbie

[r-careys]

I could not find your Moses in the 1841 or 1851 index for Essex. Just in case you have not got him in 1861 he was here -

RG9/1076 Fol 50
Billericay, Great Burstead, Essex
Moses Harris, age 72

I assume that you have eliminated the Moses Harris age 55 in London 1841? See HO 107/ 710/13 Fol 37

Thankyou for your reply Copper,
I was told that I could not lookup 1841 census in London unless I had an address (I don't have this information). I would appreciate the details on Moses Harris in London thanks.

Regards
Russell
:confused:

[r-careys]

Thank you Debbie,
You seem to be everywhere an angel watching over me and looking after my interests. You are wonderful.
I will find this Moses somehow. :)

Regards
Russell

[Copper]

HO 107/ 710/13 Fol 37
5 Artillery Passage, ChristChurch, Tower Hamlets

Moses Harris, age 55, Salesman, Yes
Sarah Harris, age 15, Servant, Yes
Julia Harris, age 50, Nurse, Yes

A number of the neighbours had Jewish sounding names, so maybe this Moses is not yours.

[r-careys]

HO 107/ 710/13 Fol 37
5 Artillery Passage, ChristChurch, Tower Hamlets

Moses Harris, age 55, Salesman, Yes
Sarah Harris, age 15, Servant, Yes
Julia Harris, age 50, Nurse, Yes

A number of the neighbours had Jewish sounding names, so maybe this Moses is not yours.

Thank you Copper, not sure if this fits but I do appreciate your efforts.
Russell

[r-careys]

Debbie, do any of these show up in the 1851 census.
Either Moses or the two girls????
Russell

[DebbieAnn]

Russell,

There is a Sarah Harris, age 25, a servant in the home of Nathan and Clara Abrahams in Christchurch, Spitalfields, Middlesex (London-Tower Hamlets). She was b: Spitalfields. The address is No. 5 Artillery Passage.

HO107/1543
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Artillery
ED, institution, or vessel: 3c
Folio: 162
Page: 9

This is certainly the Sarah from 1841 in Copper's reference. Julia was born abt 1791, and I am unable to find her in the area. Moses would have been born abt. 1786, and there is also no sign of him.

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

There is a death for Julia Rosina Harris in Sep qtr 1845 in Stepney (vol 2 pg 355) that would fit the dissappearance of Sarah's mother. Perhaps Sarah or Moses signed the certificate...

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

Now, this is interesting - there is a death for Moss Harris (transcription error for Moses?) in Dec qtr 1848 in E. London ( vol 2 pg 171) that just might be Sarah's father Moses...

Debbie

[r-careys]

HO 107/ 710/13 Fol 37
5 Artillery Passage, ChristChurch, Tower Hamlets

Moses Harris, age 55, Salesman, Yes
Sarah Harris, age 15, Servant, Yes
Julia Harris, age 50, Nurse, Yes

A number of the neighbours had Jewish sounding names, so maybe this Moses is not yours.


Copper was there any sign of Thomas George Harris (son of Moses) around the same areas in 1841?
He would be about 29 years of age.

Regards
Russell

[Copper]

Hmm tricky as you can imagine there are a number of Thomas Harris' to choose from. None are in that exact area but there are a few in Bethnal Green and Shoreditch which are not too far away. Have you got any other info for Thomas which would help to narrow the search? eg occupation, wife etc

[r-careys]

Hmm tricky as you can imagine there are a number of Thomas Harris' to choose from. None are in that exact area but there are a few in Bethnal Green and Shoreditch which are not too far away. Have you got any other info for Thomas which would help to narrow the search? eg occupation, wife etc

Copper, Thomas is where my brick wall starts he is my fathers direct line back as is Moses, this is all I have. I do know however if the Thomas you locate in 1841 is still there in 1851 he is not mine because he was in Australia by then.



My brick wall:

Thomas George Harris
From Death and Marriage certificates I have the following information:-
Birth circa 1812 in London, England.


When he married for the second time on the 12th of May 1862, he gave his status as widower since 1853. This is slightly unusual because he was living with and had children with this 1862 bride in and from 1850. I presume he left his first wife in England, and thus could not marry until she passed away. No idea of her name or when they married.

On his marriage certificate in 1862, he gives his age as 49 and his father as Moses W Harris (occupation of father “waterman”)

On his death certificate dated 3 January 1893 he was given as aged 88 years 16 weeks.
Using both Marriage and deth ages, I deduce his birth date as September 1812
His place of birth was given as England and 40 years in the Victoria. This can’t be right because the first daughter was born in 1850. I assume that he would have not been in Victoria long before he had this first child so he should show up in the 1841 census in London

His father Moses should show up on 1841 and perhaps 1851 census hopefully still in London


What I would like to find out is:-

1. His actual birth date and location,
2. His parents names and any details on them
3. His brothers and or sisters
4. His first wifes information, death and marriage details