Request for look up 1841 and 1851 census

[r-careys]

Thomas D Carey born 1822 Burslem, Staffs
Occupation: China Manufacturer
location would be around the Potteries possibly Lane End

John D Carey born 1826 Lane End Staffs
Occupation: Unknown
Location would be around the Potteries possibly Lane End

Henry Carey born 1831 Lane End Staffs
Occupation : Unknown
Location would be around the Potteries possibly Lane End

Possibly still in the same household

Thank You in advance
Russell

[DebbieAnn]

1851, Thomas Carey:

Thomas Carey abt 1822 Langton, Staffordshire, England Head Kings Norton Worcestershire
Lucy Carey abt 1816 Stone, Staffordshire, England Wife Kings Norton Worcestershire
Sarah Carey abt 1829 Longton, Staffordshire, England Visitor Kings Norton Worcestershire
Edward Smith abt 1842 Cheddleton, Staffordshire, England Son-in-law Kings Norton Worcestershire

HO107/2048
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2i
Folio: 207
Page: 53

Address is Tyndall Street. Thomas is a Merchant's Clerk, Sarah is an annuitant. 9-yr-old Edward Smith may be a step-son, not a son-in-law, he is listed as a scholar at home.

Debbie

[r-careys]

Wooooooo! There is a wife I didn't know about !!!:)
Thomas Carey, married in Australia in 1855 and he didn't say anything about Lucy, but that is him I'm sure, Sarah is his sister not just a visitor.
Not sure where Edward fits in yet.

Thank You so much I hope I get a response for 1841 census.
:)

Russell

[r-careys]

Could Edward be Lucy's son from previous Marriage???

[Wirral]

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1841 census HO107/1003/13 folio 24 page 14 Wetley Abbey, Cheddleton, Staffordshire
[All surname Carey, all born in the county]
Thomas 48 Ind [of independent means]
Ellen 45
Thomas 18
Eliza 16
Ellen 15
Sarah 12
Mary 10
Henry 8
Annie 7
Richard 6
George 4

[r-careys]

WOW this is all too much :) :)
This is the right family but we seem to be missing John I wonder if he died (John D Carey b 1826 Lane End)
And why would they be living in an abbey?
Now I have to find out where cheddleton is too.

Answers allways seem to raise more questions :) Thank you so much for the information, I really seem to be getting somewhere at last.

[DebbieAnn]

Thomas and Ellen's marriage, from Ancestry:

Staffordshire: Norton-in-the-Moors - Parish Registers, 1754-1837
Marriages.
Marriages.
1820.
County: Staffordshire
Country: England
Thomas Carey and Ellin Harvey, 23 Feb 1820. w-John Drewry, Wm. Steel.

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

Possibly past generations?

Staffordshire: Stoke-upon-Trent - Parish Registers, 1734-1797
Christenings in 1792.
Christenings in 1792.
Ffunerals in the Year 1740.
County: Staffordshire
Country: England
12 Aug 1792 Tho., of John & Sarah Carey.

Staffordshire: Newcastle under Lyme - Parish Registers, 1771-1812
Marriages
Marriages
1791
County: Staffordshire
Country: England
23 Oct 1791 Jno. Carey (potter) and Sarah Walters both of Stoke Witnesses - Wm. Hill Thos. Taylor

Staffordshire: Stoke-upon-Trent - Parish Registers, 1734-1797
Christenings in the Year 1768 [contd.].
Christenings in the Year 1768 [contd.].
Ffunerals in the Year 1740.
County: Staffordshire
Country: England
John, of Tho. & Margt. Carey.

Debbie

[r-careys]

Thanks Debbie I have this information but confirmation is always good. :)

Regards
Russell

[r-careys]

I have googled for a picture of the abbey but can't get one.
It appears that Masons owned the abbey at one stage.

Russell

[DebbieAnn]

George Miles Mason purchased the abbey in 1832. His brother, Charles James Mason, invented ironstone, known as Masonware at the time. Sounds as if your lot may have worked for the Masons, as they were living at the abbey in the 1841 census. George Hemming Mason, the painter, (and George Miles Mason's son) settled into the abbey on his return from Italy in 1858, so the family must have owned it for the duration, including the Carey's residence there.

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

It appears the abbey is now a nursing home:

Wetley Abbey Nursing Home
Abbey Road
Wetley Rocks Staffordshire ST9 0AS
Tel: (01782 550914)

Perhaps they could send you a leaflet which might have a picture of the abbey on it.

Debbie

[Wirral]

Thomas Carey was described as "of independent means" & he had 4 servants, so it is unlikely that he worked for Mason. He may have rented the property at the time of the 1841 census. By 1851, his son Thomas is head of his own family & described as a merchant's clerk. Thomas jnr's sister Sarah was living with his family in the 1851 census.

[r-careys]

Well; what a dill I am, there are 2 pages to this. I have just found the second page, thankyou for the additional information. I thought all had gone quiet :) :)

[r-careys]

Wirral, the family must have had money, I can't work out why Thomas was a clerk he must have fallen upon hard times.
When he came to Australia he still worked as a clerk then went off looking for gold and became a miner.

[r-careys]

It appears the abbey is now a nursing home:

Wetley Abbey Nursing Home
Abbey Road
Wetley Rocks Staffordshire ST9 0AS
Tel: (01782 550914)

Perhaps they could send you a leaflet which might have a picture of the abbey on it.

Debbie
Debbie, I'll have to google the nursing home for a picture :)

[DebbieAnn]

There are 2 nursing homes on Abbey Road - 1) Wetley Abbey Nursing Home and 2) Wetley Manor Nursing Home. I found a picture for the latter, it looks like an expanded gatehouse more than an abbey, but could find no picture of the abbey itself. I have no access to the 1841 census - is it possible the Careys were living at the gatehouse of the abbey and not in the abbey itself? Were there others listed as living at the abbey in that census?

Debbie

[Wirral]

The Careys were the only occupants of the big house (other than their servants & a couple of young visitors, John Berry 18 attorney's apprentice & Elizabeth Berry 11). There was another family next door at the Gate - Jesse Shenton 44 ag lab & Ellen Shenton 70.

A clerk was not necessarily a poorly paid job. I think there were clerks & clerks!

[r-careys]

Wirral, Is it possible to find out details of Thomas's marriage to Lucy? I have tried all night on the web and can't get anything on Lucy and Edward Smith. I am of course assuming that Edward was lucy's son Any ideas??

Russell

[Wirral]

www.Freebmd.org.uk (http://www.Freebmd.org.uk) lists a possible birth of Edward, registered at Stone in 1842. No sign of the marriage of Thomas & Lucy on freebmd. Try using the (nearly) complete BMD index on ancestry. Start at June 1851 & work backwards.

[r-careys]

Thank you I had seen the birth at stone, is stone near Cheddleton?
Where can I get a decent copy of a map showing these places?
I have tried the uk street map but I find it hard navigating through it. Is there one I can print off.??

[r-careys]

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1841 census HO107/1003/13 folio 24 page 14 Wetley Abbey, Cheddleton, Staffordshire
[All surname Carey, all born in the county]
Thomas 48 Ind [of independent means]
Ellen 45
Thomas 18
Eliza 16
Ellen 15
Sarah 12
Mary 10
Henry 8
Annie 7
Richard 6
George 4


Wirral,
Does that mean that there were no other Carey's in Staffordshire in 1841 census?

If it does then I have lost a whole branch of the family. That branch is John Carey(brother of the Thomas you found) and his wife Harriett (ne Cartwright) and their family
Their son John died in 1841 so he may have missed the census and their daughter Selina who died in 1826 would have obviously missed the census. But the others include Harriet b 1829 Frederic b 1832 and Thomas b 1837 they should be there somewhere. John and his family were I understand, still living at Anchor House (also refered to as Island House or Mote House) in 1841
The third branch of this family is the daughter Sarah sister to the Thomas you found. Sarah was born 1795 and died in 1835 she married John Drewry and they were both dead before the 1841 census but their daughters may appear in the potteries area. They are Emma Drewry b 1815 and Ann Drewry b 1817.
I realise that if they married they wont show up but I would appreciate it if you could look for me.

Sorry this is so long and I know I am asking a lot .
Regards
Russell :)

[Wirral]

57 Careys in Staffordshire in 1841! I'll have a look later - going a bit cross-eyed at the moment!

[r-careys]

Thats good to hear, not that you are cross-eyed but that there are more Carey's :)
Russell

[Wirral]

No sign of the Drewrey girls - they must have married.

1841 census HO107/991/1 folio 41 page 27, Anchor Road, Lane End [that's a district], Stoke upon Trent, Staffs.
John Carey 35 manufacturer
Harriet " 35
Thomas " 3
Hannah Shufflebottom 30 F.S.
Hannah Hamilton 25 F.S.
Ann Silitoe 20 F.S.

All born in the county. The 3 female servants are not family members.

[r-careys]

Thanks Wirral thats great I am getting somewhere.
Could I please ask for someone to look in 1851 census for I presume the same district (debbie if you are there :) please) for Harriet and children.
John Carey and Harriett had another daughter in 1843 (Emily) and John died in 1843
So Harriett and Thomas and Emily should be there possibly in the same house.

Russell

[r-careys]

1851, Thomas Carey:

Thomas Carey abt 1822 Langton, Staffordshire, England Head Kings Norton Worcestershire
Lucy Carey abt 1816 Stone, Staffordshire, England Wife Kings Norton Worcestershire
Sarah Carey abt 1829 Longton, Staffordshire, England Visitor Kings Norton Worcestershire
Edward Smith abt 1842 Cheddleton, Staffordshire, England Son-in-law Kings Norton Worcestershire

HO107/2048
Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2i
Folio: 207
Page: 53

Address is Tyndall Street. Thomas is a Merchant's Clerk, Sarah is an annuitant. 9-yr-old Edward Smith may be a step-son, not a son-in-law, he is listed as a scholar at home.

Debbie

Have been searching for tyndall street and this is what I found.
1 Tyndall Street, OL4, LEES
2 Tyndall Street, OL4, MANCHESTER
3 Tyndall Street, CF99, ADAMSDOWN
4 Tyndall Street, CF99, CARDIFF

But nothing for Kings Norton any ideas???????????

Regards
Russell