William Henry Hill

[margaret bennett]

William Henry Hill was born in Lancaster England, he married Phoebe Evans, he was a Gunsmith by trade, one of his children was William Henry Hill, he was born in Birmingham, I would like to know if any one would have any information on them.

[Trish]

William Henry Hill was born in Lancaster England, he married Phoebe Evans, he was a Gunsmith by trade, one of his children was William Henry Hill, he was born in Birmingham, I would like to know if any one would have any information on them.Margaret, do you have any more information? Do you know when William Sr. and/or Phoebe were born and where? Do you have a marriage date and place? Or when William Jr. was born? Even approximate dates might help.

Trish

[margaret bennett]

Margaret, do you have any more information? Do you know when William Sr. and/or Phoebe were born and where? Do you have a marriage date and place? Or when William Jr. was born? Even approximate dates might help.

Trish
Thank you Trish for trying to help me this is all new to me, I'm trying to help my uncle who is 90, the only date we have is on William Henry Hill JR, he died in Sydney Australia at the age of 61 in 1928, that means he would have been born about 1867 in Birmingham, would that be some where to start. margaret

[Trish]

Thank you Trish for trying to help me this is all new to me, I'm trying to help my uncle who is 90, the only date we have is on William Henry Hill JR, he died in Sydney Australia at the age of 61 in 1928, that means he would have been born about 1867 in Birmingham, would that be some where to start. margaretMargaret,

Yes, it certainly is a good place to start. That's just the sort of information we need...

Just to clarify:
-- William Henry HILL Jr. was born in Birmingham, Warwickshire about 1867
-- William's father, William Henry HILL Sr., was born in Lancaster, Lancashire, [probably in the 1830s or early 40s]
-- William Sr. married Phoebe EVANS
-- William Sr. was a gunsmith

I think the following must be your HILL household in the 1871 census:

1871 Census: RG10/3157 Folio 75 Page 7
Address: Tower Road, Aston, Warwickshire
William H. HILL Head Mar 30 Gun Maker [born] Birmingham Warwickshire
Phobe [sic] do Wife Mar 29 [born] Do do
Isabella do Daugh 9 Scholar [born] Do do
Floret HILL Daughter 9 Scholar [born] Aston Birmingham W.shire
Phoebe Do do 6 do [born] Aston Do
William Hy Do Son 4 do [born] Aston Do
Amy Do Daughter 2 [born] Aston Do
Ada Emma Do do 6 weeks [born] Aston Do

Don't be too concerned that William Sr.'s birthplace is shown as Birmingham. The other bits [middle initial, occupation, wife's name and son's given names and age] all line up so well that I think this is a pretty sure match. I'll see if I can find them in any other census... Stay tuned!

Trish

[Trish]

Margaret,

There's a very good possibility that this is your William Sr. in 1861:

1961 Census: RG9/2177 Folio 119 Page 5
Address: 23 Aston Rd. Aston, Warwickshire
Theophilus HARRISON Head Mar 67 Victualler [born] Warwicks Birmhm
Sarah " Wife " 60 [born] " "
Sarah HILL Step Daur Unm 34 [born] " "
Isabella " Do " [i.e., Step Daur] Unm 28 Bar Maid [born] " "
William H HILL " Son [i.e., Step Son] Unm 21 Gun Purcuthioner* [born] " "

*this looks like the correct spelling but I have no idea what the word means!

Let's see if they're around in 1851...

Trish

[Trish]

1851...

1851 Census: HO107/2058 Folio 422 Page 37
Address: 1 Bond St., Birmingham St George, Warwickshire
Thophilus HARRISON Head Mar 57 Publican [born] Warwicke Aston
Sarah do Wife M 47 [born] Do Do
Emma HILL Dau in Law U 21 [born] Do Do
Adelaide Do Do U 19 [born] Do Do
Isabella Do U 17 [born] Do Do
?Markheall Do Son in Law U 16 Thermometer Maker [born] Do Do
Luke Do Do U 13 Powder Flask Maker [born] Do Do
William Do Do U 10 Scholar [born] Do Do

I really can't figure out what the 16 year old's first name is -- it doesn't quite look like Marshall or anything else I can think of.

FYI: "in law" was often used to describe a stepson or step daughter

HTH,
Trish

[Trish]

Margaret,

I hope all that census information is "news" for your uncle.

Unfortunately, I don't have access to the 1841 census to find out if William Sr's father was with the family at that time.

If I were you, I would post another request asking for an 1841 lookup for Sarah HILL and children [giving all their names, birth years and places -- or simply referencing the 1851 census family]. Odds are good that William's father was alive in 1841 [presuming, of course, that Sarah was a widow when she married Mr. HARRISON].

BTW, sadly, there's a death record in the FreeBMD for a Floret HILL, 8 years old, in the March quarter of 1872 in Aston Warwickshire [Reference: Volume 6d Page 197].

Regards,
Trish

Good luck!

[Trish]

Margaret,

More info:

1855 Birmingham, Warwickshire Directory, Birmingham Trade List
Hotels, Inns, and Taverns
Page 296
-- General Wolfe, Theoph. Harrison, 23 Aston rd

1855 Birmingham, Warwickshire Directory
Alphabetical List
Page 162
-- Harrison Theophilus weaver's mail manfr.,
----82, New John st, and vict., General Wolfe, 23, Aston road

Regards,
Trish

[Carran]

Margaret

I think this maybe your William Henry Hill Snr in 1841?


Fisher Street - Birmingham - 1841

Henry Hill - 39 - Born in county - Yes - German Silver Worker
Sarah - 45 - Yes
Emma - 15 - Yes
Caroline - 11 - Yes
Adelaide - 9 - Yes
Isabella - 8 - Yes
Mark - 5 - Yes
Luke - 4 - Yes
WILLIAM - 1/12 (1 Month I think) - Yes

Hope this helps.

Carran

[margaret bennett]

Thank you Trish he will be thrilled with all you have found out, but I'll have to try and work it out, all these do do's Regards Margaret

[margaret bennett]

Thank you Carran this is a great help, he won't belive you have found out so much for him. Thank's to you and Trish, you have both been so great.
Regards Margaret

[margaret bennett]

Carran: Thank you again for your help, did you have any census under 1841, or do I put another thread in, but what category,I don't know which way to go now, do you all have different years with the census, could you fill me in on a few things. Regards Margaret

[Trish]

Carran: Thank you again for your help, did you have any census under 1841, or do I put another thread in, but what category,I don't know which way to go now, do you all have different years with the census, could you fill me in on a few things. Regards MargaretMargaret,

Earlier censuses are generally not available. Those of us with census information access it in a variety of ways: for e.g., free sites, subscriptions to online services, purchased CDs, published information, etc. My online access doesn't include the 1841 census.

You can find out more at B-G's British Censuses (http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/census/index.htm)page.

HTH,
Trish

[margaret bennett]

Trish, Thanks once again for helping me, Carran had given me 1841 census, he was thrilled, with what he has of his GGG/G Parents. Regards Margaret.