1871/1891 census please? Essex

[ChristineR]

Looking for ggg granduncle's son in 1871 and 1891. He moved around a lot - a Coast Guard Officer (In Norfolk in 1881, Kent 1901)

In 1871, some of the details would be....

William Henry ENGLISH, born 1826, Harwich, Essex - Coast Guard
Wife Mary - born Donegal, Ireland abt 1833
children
Mary 1855 Milford Haven, Pembroke, Wales (Mary was a housemaid in Sussex 1881, unmarried with parents 1901)
(hoping for some other children in this gap! for whereabouts in 1861)
Caroline 1866 Margate Kent
Edward 1868 Scrapsgate, Kent
Lily 1870 Farlness Essex
next child born Harwich, Essex 1873. (Rose)

thanks
Christine

[jeeb]

Hi Christine,
RG10/1670 Folio 133 Reg district Rochford
Coast Guard Watch Vessel 'Dove'
William Henry English Married 44 Chief Boatman born Harwick Essex

Also on board but not mentioned in the same place are
Mary English 37 Married born Donegal
Mary Anne English 16 Born Milford Haven
Selina Jane English 12 Born Queensborough Kent
Frances Rebecca English 9 Born St. Nicholis (sic) Kent
Caroline Miranda English 5 Born Margate Kent
Lily English 1 Born Foulness Essex.

I think this gives you a few extra children.
Cheers Jeremy.

[jeeb]

Hi again Christine,
Having noticed Edward was not on my first search I looked again and found 2 more children on board:-
William Henry English Jnr 14 Born Mumbles Glamorganshire
Edward Pitt English 3 Born Scapsgate, Isle of Sheppy.

Jeremy

[ChristineR]

Thanks Jeremy,

much appreciated, sounds like you had to find them among the crew!
I thought Farlness would be Foulness! I do not think that I have encountered a family that moved about so much. :D

thanks again
Christine

[DebbieAnn]

in 1891, William H., wife Mary, daughters Lily and Rose are in Gillingham, Kent:

English, William H abt 1828 Harwich, Essex, England Head Gillingham Kent
English, Mary abt 1834 Torlland, Dorset, England Wife Gillingham Kent
English, Lily abt 1870 Faulnors, Essex, England Daughter Gillingham Kent
English, Rose abt 1873 Harwich, Essex, England Daughter Gillingham Kent

RG12/661
Registration district: Medway
Sub registration district: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 18a
Folio: 120
Page: 72

Debbie

[DebbieAnn]

It's possible this is one son in 1891:

Name: English, Will Hy
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where Born: Swansea
Birth Country: Wales

Civil parish: East Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
County/Island: Essex

Source information: RG12/1340
Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: East Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Folio: 145
Page: 6

He has a wife a 4 small children.

Debbie

[ChristineR]

Many thanks Debbie,

that is possibly William Junior thanks - but I do not expect to be going down the kids lines, so I will not ask you to fish him back out for me :D Have to laugh at Mary's birthplace - Ireland Donegal has turned into Toreland Dorset - I know handwriting is difficult to read, so I shouldn't laugh. :D

thanks again
Christine :)

[jeeb]

Hi Christine,
I looked at the 1891 census and the birthplace for wife Mary is given as Dorset, Portland. Could be a second wife? Caroline M Dau aged 25 born Margate is also with them besides the 2 daughters mentioed by Debbie.
Jeremy

[DebbieAnn]

I noticed a marriage between William English and Mary Pitt in Jun qtr 1853 in Lymington, Hampshire (vol 2b pg 805). Given that Edward's middle name was Pitt, might this be they?

Debbie

[ChristineR]

Thanks Jeremy for the extra daughter. It is only the 1891 census that has the different birthplace for Mary - you have a different interpretation of the Torland as Portland - I would imagine it is really Ireland. Mary also shows up in the 1901 index as born Ireland abt 1833 so we are still dealing with the same wife.

Thanks Debbie, I also found that English/Pitt marriage and think it would be the right one - especially as Edward is the only one with a surname as a middle name and fits in with the childrens ages and also the location of . I found most of the birth regs also on FreeBMD. I found I couldn't help myself and had to stop from following up marriages, etc as it is getting too far away from my real line - this is the eldest child of a second marriage of a ggg great uncle after the Randall spouse died (1813) :D

Christine

[jeeb]

Hi Christine,
After I suggested that Mary may be a second wife I also checked the 1901 census and as you rightly say it does give the birthplace as Ireland. However the 1891 birthplace of Dorset, Portland is quite clear and could no way be interpreted as Ireland. I suppose it depends on who the informant was or what the Census enumerator thought he heard.
Cheers Jeremy.

[ChristineR]

Thanks Jeremy, for the further clarification - probably bad handwriting by the person filling out the householders schedule, and then clearly written in the enumeration book.

Christine