lee/lea family

[bella1958]

looking for my grandmothers family from kingswinford

they lived in penzer street kingswinford before she was married, her father was called john and her mother was called martha (Sant). she died in 1979 on the 10th august aged 79 years her married name was hodges.

any help appreciated

regards

sue

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looking for my grandmothers family from kingswinford

they lived in penzer street kingswinford before she was married, her father was called john and her mother was called martha (Sant). she died in 1979 on the 10th august aged 79 years her married name was hodges.

any help appreciated

regards

sueSue,

Your LEE family is in the 1901 census at 1 Penzer Street -- do you have this information? [Reference: RG13/2758 Folio 35 Page 2]

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And John LEE/LEA in the 1891 census:

Bread St [Park Villa], Kingswinford, Staffordshire
RG12/2306 Folio 125 Page 21

Job PENZER Head Widr 74 Living on their own means [born] Salop Claverley
John PENZER Brother S 75 do do
Esther CADDICK Sister Wid 70 do do
John H. LEA Grandson S 21 Saddler Staffs Kingswinford

HTH,
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Sue,

In the 1881 census, it appears that John LEE/LEA has been mistakenly enumerated as John Harry PENZER. You can access the entry for yourself -- if you haven't already done so -- by doing a search for John or his grandparents Job and Ann PENZER. [Reference RG11/2892 Folio 37 Page 1]

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In the 1871 census:

Townsend [Cross Inn], Kingswinford, Staffordshire
RG10/3026 Folio 39 Page 1

Job PENZER Head M 54 Saddler [born] Shropshire Claverley
Ann PENZER Wife M 59 Worcestershire Martley
Job PENZER Son Unm 17 Saddler Staffordsh Kingswinford
John Harry LEA Grandson 1 Do Do

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The 1861 census may hold the key to the mystery of John's mother:

Towns End, Kingswinford, Staffordshire
RG9/2070 Folio 12 Page 17

Job PENZER Head Mar 44 Saddler [born] Claverly Salop
Ann " Wife Mar 49 Martley Worcester
Susan " Dau U 13 Scholar Kingswinford Staff
Job " Son 7 do do do

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There's a marriage record for Susan PENZER in the June quarter of 1868 in Stourbridge. One of the potential grooms is a William LEA. I think this is a good bet for you -- Reference: Volume 6c Page 195.
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1851 census:

Dudley Road, Kingswinford, Staffordshire
HO107/2036 Folio 173 Page 21

Job PENZER Head Mar 34 Saddler [born] Salop Claverley
Ann do Wife do 39 Worcester Martley
Susan do dau 3 Scholar Stafford Kingswinford
William BOOTH appr U 17 Apprentice Do Womborne

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If we can assume that John's parents were Susan PENZER and William LEA and that they married sometime after 1861, then this is the most likely-looking William in the 1861 census:

Brettle Lane, Kingswinford, Staffordshire
RG9/2069 Folio 5 Page 10

John LEA Head Married 51 Glass Cutter [born] Ireland Cork
Hannah Do Wife " 50 [born] Do Do
William Do Son Un 18 Glass Cutter Staffordshire Kingswinford
David Do Son 10 Scholar Worcester Stourbridge
George Do Son 7 Do Do Do

The marriage certificate for Susan PENZER may help verify this information.

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...And the same family in 1851:

Bridgnorth Road, Stourbridge, Worcestershire
HO107/2035 Folio 277 Page 30

John LEA Head Mar 41 Glass Cutter [born] Ireland; Cork
Hannah LEA Wife Mar 39 [born] Do Do
Elizabeth Do Daur 14 Bristol
John Do Son 11 Scholar Worcestershire; Stourbridge
William Do Son 6 Do Do Do
David Do Son 11 Mo Do Do

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In the 1871 census, William LEA is a widower -- so far, this is adding up... Susan PENZER LEA probably died in childbirth or just after and baby John was left in the care of his maternal grandparents:

Woverhampton Road, Union Ter., Wordsley, Staffordshire
RG10/3025 Folio 93 Page 5

Sarah MATHEWS Head W 70 [born] Worcestersh. Rock
Mary A. GRIFFITHS Daur Mar 40 Wife of Benjm. Griffiths Furnace man Do Do
Allan Do Grandson Unm 19 Glass cutter Staffordsh. Kingswinford
William LEA Lodger Widr 26 Glass cutter Do

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Sue,

I hope all this information at once isn't too overwhelming but your family has been very easy to track down in the censuses. You are lucky!

I think the following is probably your great grandmother Martha's family in 1891:

High Street, Kingswinford, Staffordshire
RG12/2306 Folio 138 Page 11

William SAUT Jr. Head S 30 Coal Dealer [born] Wall Heath, Staffs
William do Sr. Father M 69 Farm Waggoner Stoke, do
Hannah do Mother M 66 Sapey, Hereford
Samuel do Brother S 28 Coal Miner Wall Heath, Staffs
Martha do Sister S 20 No employment do, do
John do Brother S 22 Forgeman do, do

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In the 1881 census, Martha is with her family and a two extra siblings, Thomas and Susannah. You can find the entry by looking up Martha SANT born in Wall Heath, Staffordshire about 1870. [Reference RG11/2892 Folio 29 Page 14]

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In 1871:

24 Brook St., Kingswinford, Staffordshire
RG10/3026 Folio 10 Page 16

William SAUT Head Mar 47 Lab at Iron Workes [sic] [born] Staffordsh Bushbury
Hannah Do Wife Mar 45 Laundress Herefordsh NK
Richard Do Son 12 Scholar Staffordsh Kingswinford
William Do Son 10 Do Do Do
Samuel Do Son 8 Do Do Do
Mary Ann Do Daur 7 Do Do Do
Thomas SAUT Son 6 Scholar Staffordsh Kingswinford
Elizabeth Do 4 Do Do do
John Do 3 Do Do
Martha Do 4 mo Do Do
Sarah LAMPETT Serv 18 General Serv Worcestersh Bromsgrove

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In 1861:

11 High Street, Kingswinford, Staffordshire
RG9/2070 Folio 59 Page 15

William SANT Mar 39 Labourer [born] Stafford Brockton
Hannah Do Wife Mar 36 Laundress Worcester Sappey
Richard Bury Do Son 2 Stafford Kingswinford
William Do Son 7 Mo Do Do
Maria JONES Serv 15 House Servant Do Do
Richard BURY Uncle Widower 67 Brewer Hereford Bradeton

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In 1851:

Kingswinford, Staffordshire
HO107/2036 Folio 204 Page 29

Richard BURY Head Marrd 57 Groom [born] Worcester Ken
Hannah do Wife do 52 Laundress Stafford Leighford
Hannah SANT -- Marrd 25 Laundress Herefordshe Sapey
Emma do daughr 5 Scholar Stafford Wall Heath
Thomas FREEMAN Lodger Single 22 Servant Man Sapey Hereford

I wonder where William SANT is?

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There's a marriage record for a William SANT in the June quarter of 1845 in Stourbridge district. One of the possible brides listed in the index is a Hannah FREEMAN. [Reference: Volume 18 Page 601]

Note that the lodger in the BURY household in 1851 is a Thomas FREEMAN. Perhaps he is Hannah's brother...

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Sue,

Going back to William LEA and the possibility that he may be the father of your great grandfather John LEA, I was curious about what happened to him after 1871...

A William LEA/LEE matching his exact description doesn't show up in the 1881 census but there is one who comes close as far as occupation and age are concerned: Willm. LEA, a boarder with a family named CLARE, age 38, living at 9 No. 1 Court, Russell St., [St. Helens] Eccleston In Prescot, Lancashire, . He's listed as single, a glass cutter and with Sunderland as his birthplace. [Reference: RG11/3736 Folio 5 Page 4]

In 1891, there's the following entry -- which looks promising:

6 Upper Vernon St, Clerkenwell, London
RG12/224 Folio 29 Page 49

William LEA Head M 47 Glass Cutter [born] Stourbridge
Louisa Do Wife M 44 Birmingham

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...And...In 1901, William and Hannah are at a different address:

48 Manchester Rd, Tottenham, Middlesex
RG13/1256 Folio 67 Page 44

William LEA Head M 56 Brilliant Glass Cutter [born] Wilts Stourbridge
Louisa do Wife M 53 Warwick Birmingham
Elizabeth do Sister S 50 Parlour Maid [Domestic] Somerset Bristol

If you refer back to the LEA family in the 1851 census, you'll note that William does have a sister Elizabeth born in Bristol, however, she was a few years older older not younger. This doesn't necessarily mean the above entry isn't a match -- people routinely shaved years off their ages in the census or simply forgot how old they were. Discrepancies with birthplaces from one census to another is also a fairly common occurrence.

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[SKSWBA]

Hi,
Martha Sant was my great grandfather Samuel Sants sister. They lived at Wall Heath,Staffs. their father was William Sant (b Brockton,Staffs 1822 d Wall Heath 1918). Mother Hannah (nee Freeman) (b Sapey,Herefordshire 1825 d Wall Heath 1897). Hope this maybe of use and would also ask if you have any futher information on Martha's relatives in Wall Heath? Many thanks.
Steven.

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William was married prior to this to Anne Sant,they lived at South Piredon (Stone),Staffs. (see 1841 census). That marriage was (as far as I can discover) never annulled and certainly Anne lived well into her 60's.(In 1851 she has a 'lodger' from Sheffield living with her but retained the name Sant) It is probable Williams marriage to Hannah was bigamous.