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IreneH
04-07-2005, 9:38 PM
I've just received Phillimore's Parsh registers (http://www.parishchest.com/en-gb/dept_1451.html) - marriages CD and Lincolnshire 1841 (http://www.parishchest.com/en-gb/dept_2413.html) census CDs. Little concerned about the 1841 census disks Rod - I haven't tried them yet, but they look a little battered. The soft plastic folder thingy is a little worst for wear! I'll see how they go. Love seeing Aotearoa on the address.

To get back to the question I was going to ask. Someone posted a site that gave the towns/villages within a parish ages a go which I've lost amoug the reems of infomation I've collected - my filing system leaves one hell of a lot to be desired!! Does anyone know the site I'm talking about?? In the mean while can someone tell me which parish/s cover Winterton Lin. please.

Also can someone tell me how to go about looking for people 1700s and back. I'll have traced back to a William Hall m Elizabeth ? about 1750 going by the the eldest child I can find. Which makes William b. about 1730ish. But I have no infomation as to where he was born or where he married.

Thanks
Irene

Geoffers
04-07-2005, 10:10 PM
Someone posted a site that gave the towns/villages within a parish ages a go which I've lost amoug the reems of infomation I've collected - my filing system leaves one hell of a lot to be desired!! Does anyone know the site I'm talking about??
Not sure, but do you mean the Parloc programme
http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ParLoc.htm

or the GENUKI web-site
http://www.genuki.org.uk/

Geoffers

Peter Goodey
04-07-2005, 10:43 PM
"In the mean while can someone tell me which parish/s cover Winterton Lin. please."

I don't think I understand the question. Winterton is a parish.

You may find the National Archives catalogue useful for similar questions.

IreneH
04-07-2005, 11:33 PM
Thanks for the sites Geoffers, not the same one but I'll try them - anything is better than nothing.

I didn't know that Winterton was a perish - hence the question. Kiwis - as well as being flightless are not known for their brains!

Pam Downes
05-07-2005, 2:57 AM
Hi Irene,
Are you by any chance confusing parishes, villages/towns, registration districts, and deaneries? I'll admit that it took me several attempts to make sense of it to begin with.
Firstly, you are dealing with two different areas - one civil, the other ecclestiastical. Villages/towns and registration districts are civil. Parishes and deaneries are ecclestiastical.
Villages/towns get grouped together in a registration district, and the registration districts for the various counties can be found at http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/REG/
If you want to look specifically which RD Winteron was in http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/places/
Villages and towns are also geographically put together in a county, which covers several RDs.
A parish is based on a village, though the parish boundary can differ from that of the village. When you get a 'big village' (i.e. a town), you need more than one church so you find that towns have several parishes. If you look at the PRs holdings in Lincoln Archives
http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/section.asp?docid=28375&catid=6726
you will see that Gainsborough for instance has 4 different churches listed - i.e. four parishes, whilst Lincoln has over 20 parishes.
As far as Lincolnshire is concerned, a group of parishes then form a deanery. There is no set number of parishes per deanery - I think it was West Elloe that had about 10 parishes and Horncastle had over 60.
The deaneries then form a diocese.
There is a map at
http://www.lincoln.anglican.org/indx_parishes.htm
and if you click on a blue number you then get a list of the *present day* parishes and churches in that particular deanery.
Lincolnshire FHS publish two excellent booklets which as far as I'm concerned are worth their weight in gold.

Page one - 'a Gazetteer of Historic Lincolnshire' and 'Registration districts and deaneries'. The latter has maps of the deaneries, showing the individual parishes, making it very easy to see adjacent parishes.

Knowledge of adjacent parishes is very important when you want to trace people prior to c1800 and have no idea where they came from as you have to start with the parish in which they were last found and then work your way through the surrounding parishes till you find them!
The deaneries then form a diocese.
LincsFHS have also published marriage indexes for all the deaneries 1700-1837. I've checked Manlake deanery, but no William marrying an Elizabeth in Winterton nor anywhere else in the deanery c1750. Best I can offer is Elizabeth Foster 1792 in Scotton, or Martha Roberts 1761 Winterton. *But* the indexes may possibly have been prepared only from the PRs so you should always check any BTs or ATs as well. However the BTs have been transcribed to the IGI and there's still no William marrying c1750.
Though the IGI itself does show a William and Elizabeth Gurden marrying in 1752 in Goxhill.

Pam Downes

IreneH
05-07-2005, 8:53 PM
Hi Pam,

As always you give great info. Sorry - I have confused you a little with William and Eliz. As I said they married around 1750 but all the kids as far as I can see, where born in Stubton. That I know is a praish. I'm picking that they were married in Stubton. But so far can't find anything drat it! But as you have just pointed out there could be more than one praish in a town. Is this the case with Stubton? I don't know the the lay out of Lincolnshire too well I get lost very quickly. I'm learning though! I find the parish system a total nightmare!!

Thanks
Irene

Pam Downes
06-07-2005, 1:16 AM
Hi Irene,
No wonder I had trouble finding a marriage for William and Elizabeth near Winterton - Stubton is almost the other end of the county! If you say 44 miles due south of Winterton and then 4 miles due west, you'll be almost there.
The LincsFHS marriage index for Loveden deanery has a marriage for William and an Eliz (sic) Archer in Caythorpe on 9th February 1744. Caythorpe is about 4 miles east of Stubton.
www.streetmap.co.uk
Places written in small writing on the map such as Stubton and Caythorpe will be small villages with usually only one parish (i.e. Church of England) church. You can always look at the Lincs Archives PR holdings for confirmation. (The PRs for some parishes have not yet been deposited but from what I can see the parishes have been listed and then it just says 'none' for the various registers.)
Info for towns/villages can be found at
http://www.rootsweb.com/~englin/locations.htm
not forgetting
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/
http://www.rootsweb.com/~englin/
for Lincolnshire as a whole.

Pam Downes

Rod Neep
06-07-2005, 9:23 AM
I've just received Phillimore's Parsh registers - marriages (http://www.parishchest.com/en-gb/dept_1451.html)CD and Lincolnshire 1841 census CDs (http://www.parishchest.com/en-gb/dept_2413.html). Little concerned about the 1841 census disks Rod - I haven't tried them yet, but they look a little battered. The soft plastic folder thingy is a little worst for wear! I'll see how they go. Love seeing Aotearoa on the address.
Irene
I think I might know what has caused that "crumpling". The Lincolnshire 1841 (http://www.parishchest.com/en-gb/dept_2413.html)census has so many CDs, that it goes into two of those multi-CD wallets. The two wallets were held together by an elastic band..... yes? Was it the band that has distorted the edges of the folders? If so, then I'll ask the ladies in the packing room to do it differently.

I understand that it is "politically correct" to have Aotearoa in your address. Right? ;)

Regards
Rod

IreneH
10-07-2005, 5:04 AM
Thanks Pam. Thats one more female named! I hate seeing a question mark against the females because I can't find their maiden names. It would be so nice to have all the infomation right at your figure tips - ah well I'll just have to save up my pennies to buy more CDs etc.

Irene

IreneH
11-07-2005, 12:30 AM
PC or not Rod, I just like the name.
It was the way 1841 census CDs were packed - I had another disk sent at the same time that had its own case and this was used to keep the 1841 disks flat. Fine for the ones on the bottom, but the top ones took a bit of a beating. I'll work my way through them to see if any are not going to work. Haven't had a chance yet.
One piece of bubble wrap just isn't enough protection from hamfisted mailpersons with big boots. (Theres a boot print on the envelope).

Irene