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ET in the USA
13-04-2010, 3:27 AM
I am looking for the birth/marriage/death of Harry E. Levick.
The 1871 census [Ref: RG10 Piece: 3359 Folio: 10 Page: 13] - Shows him at age 7, born about 1864 in France. All of his brothers & sisters were born in England & his parents were English, so I would have expected to find his birth in the Overseas birth records on Find My Past. BTW – the father was not in the Army, but I even looked at those births.
The 1881 census [ Ref: Rg11 Piece: 304 Folio: 91 Page: 7] shows him at home, age 16, born about 1865 – France. [Family transcribed as Lovick]
It is possible that he is the Mr. Harry E. Levick shown on an 1883 passenger list [on Ancestry ] on the ship “Arizona” bound for New York, however the estimated date of birth is 1860 instead of 1864. I do know that his brother Hemsworth Robert Levick [born about 1856] is on the 1900 – 1930 US census records for Massachusetts [1900 & 1910] and New Jersey [1920 & 1930] & that the 1920 census indicates that his arrival date in the US was 1882. I haven’t been able to look for Hemsworth’s passenger record yet & I can find no sign of Harry E. Levick in the US.
Any suggestions ?
Thanks,
Elaine

christanel
13-04-2010, 4:38 AM
Have you seen this?
Birth FreeBMD
Harry Ernest Levick June 1/4 Grantham vol 7a page 421

Now why his family should say born France I don't know but all the details fit.

This may be the same bloke in 1891 RG12, Piece 391, Folio 131, Page 4

A surgeon and physician no less!

ET in the USA
13-04-2010, 5:19 AM
Have you seen this?
Birth FreeBMD
Harry Ernest Levick June 1/4 Grantham vol 7a page 421

Now why his family should say born France I don't know but all the details fit.

This may be the same bloke in 1891 RG12, Piece 391, Folio 131, Page 4

A surgeon and physician no less!

That is really tempting, however -
Harry Lewick [Transcription of the the 1891 census ref on FMP. It sure looks like Levick to me !] age 25 is a lodger & living with another lodger [bottom of previous page] named Byron Levick age 28 & also born Gratham. Harry didn't have a brother by that name - so if it is correct - it would have to be a cousin. If fact, Harry doesn't have any brothers still living except Hemsworth who is in America.
As for the birth - only GBP 9.25 to the GRO will tell me for sure.
Thanks anyway. :detective:
ET

christanel
13-04-2010, 5:51 AM
Hi ET
I have been trying to puzzle out some of the Harry Levicks in 1871 compared to 1881. Henry and Annie are the parents of your Byron Levick born 1863 and his brother Harry was born 1868.
Rg11 Piece: 3232 Folio: 60 Page: 21

christanel
13-04-2010, 6:05 AM
1871 RG10, Piece 3359, Folio, 47, Page 14
This is Henry and Annie with their family.
Byron is William A. B. (Augustus Byron) birth reg June 1/4 1863 Grantham.
Only trouble is I now can't see his brother Harry with them!
However in this census Henry and Annie have all their children born Little Gonerby.

ET in the USA
13-04-2010, 3:51 PM
MY HARRY - had parents Robert Levick b. abt. 1830 Ranskill, Nottingham & mother Mary Jones b. 24 April 1829 Nottingham. Siblings were,
1. Mary Gertrude [1852 - 1939];
2. Adah Phoebe [1854 - 1912];
3. Hemsworth Robert [1856 - after 1930 in the USA];
4. Anne Blanche [1858 - ?];
5. Arthur Bernard [1860 - 1862];
6. Clara Emily [1861 - 1933];
7. HARRY E. [b. about 1864 in France & I don't know what the E. stands for - died ?];
8. Percival Edwin [1866 - 1872];
9. Isabel Ellen [1868 - 1952]
& 1 more child [before 1911 - before 1911] because the 1911 census said they had 10 - 6 living & 4 died. So I need to have 1 more child who was born & died.

christanel
13-04-2010, 9:01 PM
Hi ET
yes I have your family in the census.
What I was doing with Byron was trying to eliminate he and his brother Harry from the puzzle. You had said that you had found a Byron in 1891 with a Harry Levick but I think we can discount this one as it is more likely to be Byron's brother not his cousin.
I wll get back to this later when I have looked at my notes again.

christanel
13-04-2010, 10:35 PM
Have been looking at your original post.
Hemsworth Robert Levick his birth registered Sept 1/4 1856 BASFORD (which spans Derbyshire and Nootinghamshire counties) vol 7b page 141 No other Hemsworth R Levicks registered at all on FreeBMD.
So this one in 1881 must be yours.
RG11, Piece, 134, Folio: 85, Page, 21
26,28 and 30 Cleveland Street Marylebone
William Newnham 49 Furniture dealer born Watford Hertfordshire
Martha A wife 47 born Iver Buckinghamshire
Hannah E Levick 24 daughter born Chertsey Surrey
Hemsworth R Levick s-in-law 24 Accountant born Arnold Nottinghamshire
plus 4 lodgers.

Do you have Hannah and Hemsworth's marriage record in 1880? He says on it he is a Builder and his father Robert is a Hotel broker.

christanel
13-04-2010, 10:46 PM
There is a Harry Levick returning to Liverpool UK from US 18 June 1912.
He is 51 and a contractor. The ship is the Mauretania.
Do you know Hemsworth's occupation in US? If he did some buiding, as per his marriage cert, Harry may have been working with him.

christanel
13-04-2010, 11:13 PM
Another little puzzle
9 October 1881 departing Liverpool on the ship Alaska for New York
Mr. H R Levick age 26 with his wife Hannah age 26.
So far so good BUT they are down as US citizens, which could easily be a mistake However they have with them a child James Levick aged 2. Now he wasn't on the cenus 1881 with Hemsworth and Hannah and I can't see a birth for him in the time frame.
Still no sign of Harry leaving UK apart from what you have. Maybe we are getting too hung up on the age being 4 years out?

AdeleE
13-04-2010, 11:15 PM
There is a Harry Levick returning to Liverpool UK from US 18 June 1912.
He is 51 and a contractor. The ship is the Mauretania.
Do you know Hemsworth's occupation in US? If he did some buiding, as per his marriage cert, Harry may have been working with him.

I've been following that Harry Levick. He may be the 1883 Arizona Levick, but I can't reconcile why there is a middle initial E on the passenger list but not on any census, marriage & death records/indices in the US (ancestry.com files) . He seems to head to Georgia, marry Minnie Moore, then go to Tampa, Florida where he dies in 1917.

This scan of a page from Memoirs of Florida from the Florida Heritage Collection containing a biography of Harry Levick says he was born in Sheffield England. Although the article says he came when he was 20, on one of the census records, he says 1883.

http://fulltext.fcla.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?idno=SF00000009_0002_000;q1=SF00000009;seq=138 9;cc=fhp;view=image;size=s;start=1;c=fhp

christanel
13-04-2010, 11:30 PM
19 June 1890
Departing Liverpool for New York
ship Teutonic
H Levick age 27 born c 1863
Occupation farmer.

Age is better but we have no idea what your Harry was doing between the 1881 census age 16 with no occupation filled in and 1890.

christanel
13-04-2010, 11:38 PM
Hi AdeleE
There were two Harry Levicks born in Sheffield in 1869 and 1870. There was also one in 1856! Plus 5 others between 1866 and 1873. However there was only one Harry E.
Welcome aboard:sailor:

AdeleE
14-04-2010, 12:16 AM
Hi AdeleE
There were two Harry Levicks born in Sheffield in 1869 and 1870. There was also one in 1856! Plus 5 others between 1866 and 1873. However there was only one Harry E.
Welcome aboard:sailor:

I'm glad we're not looking for a Harry Levick from Sheffield then! If anyone has lost one, I know where he went.:patriot:

ET in the USA
14-04-2010, 1:28 AM
Another little puzzle
9 October 1881 departing Liverpool on the ship Alaska for New York
Mr. H R Levick age 26 with his wife Hannah age 26.
So far so good BUT they are down as US citizens, which could easily be a mistake However they have with them a child James Levick aged 2. Now he wasn't on the census 1881 with Hemsworth and Hannah and I can't see a birth for him in the time frame.
Still no sign of Harry leaving UK apart from what you have. Maybe we are getting too hung up on the age being 4 years out?

As I mentioned before - I don't have Ancestry access at home & this Passenger Record isn't on Find My Past - so I didn't know who H.R. Levick traveled with until you told me.
This is what I think happened to Hemsworth Robert Levick [ & No, I have not ordered any certificates yet. This was all put together this week from UK & US census, Free BMD entries & Massachusetts free vital records online]
+He was born Sep Quarter 1856 in Basford District - Nottinghamshire.
+On the 1861 & 1871 census - he was at home with his parents -Robert & Mary.
+In the Dec Qtr 1880 he married Hannah Elizabeth Newham [also shown as Newnham] in the Kensington District. She was born Dec Qtr 1856 in Chertsey Dist, Surrey.
+On the 1881 census Hemsworth & Hannah were with her parents William & Martha A. Newham/Newnham in St. Marylebone, Middlesex
+A child, Ethel Elizabeth N. Levick was born in England in about 1881.
+Hemworth, Hannah & the baby go to America about 1882 - 1883.
+1886 - A second child is born in the US [Massachusetts] and named Ruby E. Levick
+Hannah's parents immigrate to the US in about 1886
+Hannah Levick dies in Boston in 1889.
+Hemsworth Levick marries Julia A. Munroe/Monroe in Jul 1893 in Massachusetts.
+1900 US Census - Hemworth & Julia [born about 1853] are living in Massachusetts.
+1900 US Census - William & Martha A. Neunham [sic] are living in Brooklyn, NY with Ethel & Ruby Levick [granddaughters].
+1910 US census - Hervy R. [sic] Levick, Juliah [sic] H. Levick & Gertrrude Monroe [sister in law] are living in Boston, Massachusetts.
+1910 - Not sure about Ruby, Ethel, William or Martha.
+1920 US Census - Heinsworth [sic] Levick - Father in Law - widower - is living in New Jersey with David & Ethel Wallach. Both Hemsworth & Ethel came to the US in 1882. Hemsworth was naturalized in 1892 [from census ].
+1930 - have not viewed this yet, but I know from the little bits that Ancestry lets me see from home that Hemsworth is in New Jersey.

So, where is Harry ? Did he go to the US & come home? If so, was it a visit or didn't he like it over there?
ET

AdeleE
15-04-2010, 1:52 AM
Elaine,
Do you have census references for the parents Robert & Mary Levick on the 1891 and 1901 census? I've found them on the 1911 census but can't seem to find them in 1891 and 1901.

ET in the USA
15-04-2010, 2:35 AM
Not yet. I have tried everything I can think of, but no Robert or Mary Levick. I found Tom Levick born 1830 with wife Mary:biggrin5:

I have Isabel for 1891 & 1901, but she isn't with them.
I have Clara Emily - not there either.
Hemsworth is in the USA - maybe they went to visit ?
I can't find Adah Levick either - although she is back in 1911.
I tried 1881 & 1911 addresses & no Levick in sight.
:nonod:

Elaine

christanel
15-04-2010, 3:01 AM
Just another little piece which places Robert and Hannah in England in March 1882.
Baptism of Ethel Elizabeth Newham, 19 March 1882 at All Saints Notting Hill, Father Robert Hemsworth Levick, Occupation Insurance Agent. Mother Hannah Elizabeth Levick.
Her birth was registered Dec 1/4 1881 Marylebone vol 1a page 526

AdeleE
15-04-2010, 3:03 AM
As that the family was apparently well-to-do, had been if France at one point, was involved in what appears to be various mercantile enterprises, I'm sensing some kind of emigration and return by some of the family members to England. Was Harry/Henry set up in business in Europe or elsewhere where we can't find him on internet available records?

I think that Robert & Mary both died in Battle reg district/ Sussex? 1920 for Robert? Would a will for Robert give any details on surviving children, given that wife Mary predeceased him?

And by doing a "head count" of 10 children born and 6 still alive in 1911, Harry should be still around in 1911 as he should be the 6th child still alive, given that Anne Blanche b1858 doesn't appear on the census after her only appearance on the 1861 census?

Survived past 1911
Mary Gertrude [1852 - 1939]
Adah Phoebe [1854 - 1912]
Hemsworth Robert [1856 - after 1930 in the USA];
Clara Emily [1861 - 1933]
Isabel Ellen [1868 - 1952]

Probably survived past 1911
HARRY E. [b. about 1864 in France - ?] (last seen on 1881 census)

Died before 1911
Anne Blanche [1858 - ?] (last seen on the 1861 census)
Percival Edwin [1866 - 1872]
Arthur Bernard [1860 - 1862]
1 more child [before 1911 - before 1911]

christanel
15-04-2010, 3:20 AM
Another little puzzle
9 October 1881 departing Liverpool on the ship Alaska for New York
Mr. H R Levick age 26 with his wife Hannah age 26.
So far so good BUT they are down as US citizens, which could easily be a mistake However they have with them a child James Levick aged 2. Now he wasn't on the cenus 1881 with Hemsworth and Hannah and I can't see a birth for him in the time frame.
Still no sign of Harry leaving UK apart from what you have. Maybe we are getting too hung up on the age being 4 years out?

Just noticed that I have this ship departing 1881 but it didn't, it left on 9 October 1882. So the time frame is good. It is just the name and age of the child. I double checked and it says James male, age 2.

christanel
15-04-2010, 3:23 AM
Have you seen this?
Birth FreeBMD
Harry Ernest Levick June 1/4 Grantham vol 7a page 421

This may be the same bloke in 1891 RG12, Piece 391, Folio 131, Page 4



Are we discounting this birth registration? Could Harry have been born in France and registered in England?

AdeleE
15-04-2010, 3:28 AM
Are we discounting this birth registration? Could Harry have been born in France and registered in England?

I haven't been discounting it, but I must admit that unfortunately I haven't been paying attention to or considering what could be a very valuable clue that you presented earlier.

AdeleE
15-04-2010, 3:34 AM
And especially since his sister Clara Emily Levick marries John Chester Porter and one of their two sons is son named Ernest Chester Porter.

ET in the USA
15-04-2010, 3:57 AM
And especially since his sister Clara Emily Levick marries John Chester Porter and one of their two sons is son named Ernest Chester Porter.

An interesting observation. I hadn't considered before the origins of the names for John Chester Porter & Clara Emily Levick's children.
Percival John Porter b. 1885 could have been after Clara's brother Percival who died in 1872 & John Chester Porter - or John Chester's Uncle John Porter b. 1819- there are plenty of John's in the Porter line.
Ernest Chester Porter could be after John Chester's mother Hannah Chester from whom he got the middle name Chester & Clara's brother Harry E. Levick.

Robert Levick's parents were James Levick & Hannah [something]. Mary Levick nee Jones' parents were Edwin Jones & Mary Jones nee Crinage. Not an Ernest anywhere that I have found. By rights, John Chester Porter & Clara Emily Levick should have named their sons something like - Isaac or Robert after their grandfathers, or James & Moses after their GrGrandfathers.
Maybe they intended to, but John Chester Porter died in 1895 at the age of 40 - when the children were aged about 10 & 7 years old.
ET

AdeleE
15-04-2010, 4:02 AM
Darn! It doesn't work.

Harry Ernest Levick appears to die in the same year as his birth:

Death Registration:
Name: Harry Ernest Levick
Year: 1864
Quarter: Dec
District: Grantham
Volume: 7a
Page: 263

And the Harry Levick (surgeon) that you found on the 1891 census is Henry Driffield Levick, as per this birth registration:

Name: Henry Albert Driffield Levick
Year: 1862
Quarter: Mar
District: Grantham
Volume: 7a
Page: 417

found on the 1901 census at RG13; Piece: 4579; Folio: 149; Page: 40, now married, still a surgeon.....

ET in the USA
15-04-2010, 4:06 AM
Are we discounting this birth registration? Could Harry have been born in France and registered in England?

It bothers me that there are 2 entries.
BIRTH Jun 1864 Harry Ernest Levick Grantham 7a 421
followed immediately by
DEATH Dec 1864 Harry Ernest Levick Grantham 7a 263

Too early for the death entry to have an age, but usually it makes me think that the child has died when they are in close proximity like that.

Seems we thought alike & posted at the same time :)

ET in the USA
15-04-2010, 4:12 AM
Just another little piece which places Robert and Hannah in England in March 1882.
Baptism of Ethel Elizabeth Newham, 19 March 1882 at All Saints Notting Hill, Father Robert Hemsworth Levick, Occupation Insurance Agent. Mother Hannah Elizabeth Levick.
Her birth was registered Dec 1/4 1881 Marylebone vol 1a page 526

Thanks for this info. I hadn't found that yet., but shouldn't she have been named Ethel Elizabeth Levick - not Newham?? Oh I get it - her name was Ethel Elizabeth Newham Levick - that was why her GRO birth entry showed Ethel Elizabeth N. Levick. :out:

BTW - where did you find that information?
ET