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plimmerian
21-03-2010, 3:00 PM
Hi

I have a similar sticky wicket to find...

Jo(h)anna HOWARD died in 1859 age 46
In 1851 with her husband John Davies HOWARD in Liverpool (she born France, British Subject)
In 1841 with her husband in Liverpool (she born in Lancashire - NO)
Joanna STANTON married John Davies HOWARD in Liverpool in 1829 - on IGI no father / occupation given

no other knowledge to go on except in 1841 household
Samuel (S*a*ntow?) 15 b. Lancashire (could he be a STANTON relation?)

1881 Toxteth Park, Liverpool
Mary WILSON wife 40 (prev Mrs. BURNETT, nee HOWARD - dau of John and Jo(h)anna)
Elizabeth STANTON aunt (to head of household) 63 (unmarr) b. Liverpool

then 1891 Toxteth Park
Mary WILSON wf 50
Elizabeth Stanton WILSON aunt (to head of household) (single) 73 b. Liverpool
Esther Gilbert WILSON aunt (widow) 65 b. Liverpool

Any clues to where to turn next most welcome.

thank you

:-)

Kerrywood
21-03-2010, 8:32 PM
Hi Plimmerian, and welcome to the forums

I've moved your post to a new thread of its own. No doubt someone will be along soon with some ideas and advice to help you with your research.

sue2white
21-03-2010, 9:07 PM
Have you seen this on the IGI?
JOHANNA OR JEAHA STANTON
Christening: 09 OCT 1812 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Father: WARNER STANTON
Mother: MARGARET

Sue

fillandclaire
21-03-2010, 9:49 PM
You have John Davies Howard's marriage to Catherine McKenny in 1860 and his death in 1888 don't you? Catherine was 20 years his junior.
In 1861 they were living in Pitt St, and 1871 + 81 living in Granville St, L'Pool.

What is it you are trying to find? Is it the Stanton line?

sue2white
21-03-2010, 10:15 PM
Here's something interesting. There are 3 other Stanton marriages at the same church as Joanna & John:

MATHEW STANTON
Spouse: CAROLINE GODFREY
Marriage: 31 DEC 1827 Saint Paul Saint Pauls Square, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

JOHN STANTON
Spouse: MIRIAM HARDING
Marriage: 07 JAN 1833 Saint Paul Saint Pauls Square, Liverpool, Lancashire

CATHERINE STANTON
Spouse: WILLIAM KENNEDY
Marriage: 25 DEC 1841 Saint Paul Saint Pauls Square, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Perhaps they are Joanna's siblings?

Sue

sue2white
21-03-2010, 10:26 PM
According to 1851 census, Catherine Kennedy was born in Clomel Ireland.
Cannot find Mathew or be sure of John on either 1841 or 1851.
I found Caroline Stanton age 30 in 1841, living with Mary Godfrey age 65 (mother?) Where is her husband?
Sue

PS Looks like Caroline remarried, so Mathew must have died
Marriages Mar 1842
STANTON Caroline Liverpool 20 224

plimmerian
25-03-2010, 12:13 PM
Have you seen this on the IGI?
JOHANNA OR JEAHA STANTON
Christening: 09 OCT 1812 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Father: WARNER STANTON
Mother: MARGARET

Sue

no I haven't seen that one - was thinking, would she be bapt in France if born there or would they wait until they got back to UK soil?

plimmerian
25-03-2010, 12:15 PM
You have John Davies Howard's marriage to Catherine McKenny in 1860 and his death in 1888 don't you? Catherine was 20 years his junior.
In 1861 they were living in Pitt St, and 1871 + 81 living in Granville St, L'Pool.

What is it you are trying to find? Is it the Stanton line?

trying to find out who Jo(h)anna's parents are and where she was born or bapt!

thanks

;-)

plimmerian
25-03-2010, 12:17 PM
According to 1851 census, Catherine Kennedy was born in Clomel Ireland.
Cannot find Mathew or be sure of John on either 1841 or 1851.
I found Caroline Stanton age 30 in 1841, living with Mary Godfrey age 65 (mother?) Where is her husband?
Sue

PS Looks like Caroline remarried, so Mathew must have died
Marriages Mar 1842
STANTON Caroline Liverpool 20 224

not sure they are the same family - but I don't have anything to go on!

:-(

plimmerian
24-09-2013, 6:30 PM
Johanna HOWARD (nee STANTON) died in 1859, aged 46
(the informant is Sarah JOHNSON of 2 Walker St, Toxteth Park)

her daughter in 1881 is Mrs Mary Wilson (prev Burnett nee Howard) and living with her is
Elizabeth STANTON, unmarried 63 b. Liverpool (aunt)

which lead me to find the possible parents and other siblings:

Baptism: 14 Aug 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Stantan - [Child] of William Stantan & Susan
Abode: Salt House Dock
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1825, Page 139, Entry 1109
Source: LDS Film 1656419

Baptism: 14 Aug 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Esther Stantan - [Child] of William Stantan & Susan
Abode: Salt House Dock
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1825, Page 139, Entry 1111
Source: LDS Film 1656419

Baptism: 14 Aug 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Susan Stantan - [Child] of William Stantan & Susan
Abode: Salt House Dock
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1825, Page 139, Entry 1110
Source: LDS Film 1656419

Baptism: 14 Aug 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Samuel Stantan - [Child] of William Stantan & Susan
Abode: Salt House Dock
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1825, Page 139, Entry 1108
Source: LDS Film 1656419

other census entries and burial entries confirm the link

pottoka
24-09-2013, 7:36 PM
Jo(h)anna HOWARD died in 1859 age 46
In 1851 with her husband John Davies HOWARD in Liverpool (she born France, British Subject)
In 1841 with her husband in Liverpool (she born in Lancashire - NO)
Joanna STANTON married John Davies HOWARD in Liverpool in 1829 - on IGI no father / occupation given


If Joanna was born in 1813 - 1859 minus 46 - she would have been 16 when she was married: was that legal then?

Also, if she was born in 1813, it was during the Napoleonic Wars, when Wellington and the British army were fighting their way up France from Spain. It could be that she was an army baby.

pottoka
24-09-2013, 8:07 PM
For reference, this is Joanna on the Censuses:

1841 Census: Piece: 567; Book/Folio: 7/22; Page: 9
Enumeration District: West Derby

Address: Blair Street Chester Place, Toxteth Park, Liverpool

HOWARD, John - M - 35 - Coppersmith - Lancashire
HOWARD, Johanna - F - 25
HOWARD, John - M - 2 - Lancashire
HOWARD, Mary - F - 0 (2 months) - Lancashire
STAUNTON, Samuel - M - 15 - Lancashire

1851 Census: Piece: 2181; Folio: 377; Page: 35
Registration District: Liverpool

Address: 9, Court House, Rathbone Street, Liverpool

HOWARD, John - Head - Married - 45 - Coppersmith - Liverpool
HOWARD, Joanna - Wife - Married - 38 - France British Subject
HOWARD, John - Son - Unmarried - 12 - Scholar - Liverpool
HOWARD, Mary - Daughter - Unmarried - 10 - Scholar - Liverpool
HOWARD, Jane - Daughter - Unmarried - 8 - Scholar - Liverpool
HOWARD, Rachel - Daughter - Unmarried - 1 - Liverpool

pottoka
24-09-2013, 8:26 PM
Ancestry has John & Joanna's marriage in their Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 section.

It says:

John Davies Howard of this Parish Coppersmith & a Bachelor and Joanna Stanton of this Parish Spinster were married in this Church by Banns this twelfth day of January in the Year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty Nine,
By me R. Cardwell, curate
This Marriage was Solemnized between us : John Davies Howard; Joanna X Stanton Her Mark
In the Presence of: William Howard; Hannah Boxall

The church was St Paul's, Liverpool.