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Wayne Cook
13-01-2010, 3:13 AM
It would be greatly appreciated if someone who has access to burial/cemetery records for the rue Catinat, district of Trigauville (Graville, Le Havre, Seine France) 1846 could please see if they can find the grave of

Mary Bruyn
born 15 May 1846
died 19 September 1846

Her parents and most of her siblings are buried in Australia.

Thanks in advance

Wayne Cook

Wayne Cook
15-02-2010, 2:11 AM
How do I go about finding the above grave?

I don't speak french and don't know where to start.

Kind Regards,

Wayne

Wayne Cook
25-02-2010, 6:59 AM
Does anyone know what cemeteries operated in the Rue Catinat, Trigauville district, France in 1846?

British Viking
04-06-2010, 12:26 AM
You may wish to try:

http://genealogy.about.com/od/france/a/french_ancestry.htm

Good luck!

angela 75
04-06-2010, 2:46 AM
Hi Wayne
I have been tracing my family roots which have a french line. I found this site called GeneaNet which has forum for different countries.

Wayne Cook
29-02-2016, 4:40 AM
Thanks

SueNSW
01-03-2016, 6:07 AM
Hi Wayne - not cemetery records - but in the Archives departementales for Seine Maritime (the archives of the Departement that Le Havre is situated in) - http://archivesdepartementales76.net - the civil registrations for deaths in Graville in 1846 can be located.

Mary Bruyn is recorded in entry no 305 (on page 155 of the online record)

A combination of the old style writing/language and not being fluent in French means I can't give you all the details straight away - but I have printed it off and will try to work through it (might be an exercise for my fellow students in my weekly French class???) It is written in script form - not simple points/entries as on an English death certificate of the time - so another reason for it being a bit more tricky.

I can tell you I don't think she was buried in a cemetery in rue Catinat - currently a very small street in Le Havre that looks (from Google Street View) to now be all modern houses - but that the family were living there.

Her parents are shown as Daniel Joseph Bruyn and Sarah Seline ??? (could be Nickolles??)

Also are you sure she was born in 1846 - the register entry suggests she was 1 year and 4 months - so 1845??

It says she was born in the town - so could have a look for a birth record I guess to check

Hope this a start at least - will get back when I can

Cheers Sue

SueNSW
01-03-2016, 8:38 AM
Me again - having read through the death record again, and made a loose translation - I think the only genealogical piece of information I can add from it was that her father was a blacksmith.

The births appear to have been entered in order of reporting rather than actual date of birth - and not knowing how long the parents had to make the declaration, it will probably mean a plough through - that will take more time than I had this afternoon/evening.

From a couple of trees online on Ancestry, it appears that Mary's mother was indeed Sarah Nicholls - obviously the slightly different spelling on the death record was the French interpretation!! Also see the family ended up in my previous neck of the woods - the Dungog area.

As a matter of interest, do you have any idea why the family went to France - I'm fascinated to think how they would have managed the language/officialdom etc.

Having spent nearly 3 of the last 5 years over there, and still with quite a lot of contact via expat forums, many English speakers still really struggle despite all the modern technology and learning aids etc - can't imagine how it must have been for them.

Cheers Sue

Peter Goodey
01-03-2016, 9:12 AM
As a matter of interest, do you have any idea why the family went to France

Many British workers especially skilled workers and artisans took advantage of the period of peace following the end of the Napoleonic wars to seek work in France where industrial skills were in demand. Most returned home during the 1848 revolution.

This article may be of interest...

http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/case-studies/69899630/british-workers-france-1815-1848

Perhaps you can access it through your library service.

Wayne Cook
02-03-2016, 12:37 AM
Sue, yes sorry my typo with the birth date, Daniel was a Blacksmith :D

Mary Bruyn 1845 Graville birth page 74 (entry 146)
Mary Bruyn 1846 Graville death page 155 (entry 305)

Her brother Daniel Justin Bruyn is 1847 Graville birth Page 97 (entry 190)

It is Sarah Helen Nickolls (in those documents from memory)

Peter, They were British Citizens but apparently their Ancestors came from France



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SueNSW
02-03-2016, 1:04 AM
So I can presume you now have the birth entries Wayne - I realised the original post was a few years old.

Thanks for the paper cutting - I found one about Ellen's brother Daniel's sad end on Trove, plus their father's death too but hadn't seen this one.

Would love to get hold of the article Peter suggested online - sounds fascinating. Can't seem to find it via the local libraries websites but wil ask them to double check next time I visit in case I'm missing something

Wayne Cook
02-03-2016, 2:00 AM
Margaret Bruyn
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Elizabeth Bruyn
https://www.british-genealogy.com/extensions/uploads/21db9643-cbd6-44f1-b854-aee186329442.jpg

Ellen Bruyn (in front of her house in Brown St Dungog)
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Daniel Justin Bruyn
https://www.british-genealogy.com/extensions/uploads/7c4ee9d9-1754-49bd-8450-beb985bfc95c.jpg

Daniel Snr (shoeing a horse) and Sarah and one of their daughters in front of the cottage (in Dungog)
https://www.british-genealogy.com/extensions/uploads/8e12b581-66ba-4341-8d0d-7673637cfa66.jpg

Wayne Cook
02-03-2016, 2:03 AM
Hope those photos are allowed.

Wayne Cook
02-03-2016, 2:29 AM
Mary the grave belongs to is their sibling/daughter (respectively)

SueNSW
03-03-2016, 4:45 AM
Great photos Wayne - still never ceases to amaze me how the early settlers (especially the "respectable" women) coped in those clothes with our climate and none of today's mod cons!!

Wayne Cook
03-03-2016, 9:52 AM
Thanks, yes it was a different world back then and a lot of people today here wouldn't have been able to do a lot of what they did back then.