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ewan
20-11-2009, 3:58 PM
Is there anyone that has access please to the National Burial Index? I am looking for the burial of a Lionel H Cox who died 1 November 1883, Bangor.

Many thanks
Ewan

Peter Goodey
20-11-2009, 7:55 PM
But the NBI coverage map doesn't show Bangor as being included in the NBI.

ewan
21-11-2009, 8:07 AM
But the NBI coverage map doesn't show Bangor as being included in the NBI.

Okay thanks Peter, I will have to see if the burial records from that area can be searched.

Thanks for your help.

Pam Downes
21-11-2009, 9:40 AM
Hi Ewan,
After having failed to find a death registration I suddenly had a horrid feeling that you might have been talking about Bangor in Northern Ireland, so I thought I'd double-check the full GRO Index. Poor little mite to have had his name misspelt in the Index, which was why I never found him on FreeBMD. Linoel indeed.
But of course, it is Bangor in Wales you're looking at. However, remember that the Bangor referred to in the GRO Index is the registration district which may or may not mean that Lionel was buried in Bangor town itself. He could equally have been buried in any of the places in the district (http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/bangor.html).
Thanks to daughter Maude, I have finally found the family in 1891, living in Brighton, RG12/813 folio 28 page 14 (record held by TNA, Crown Copyright) with wife Ellen amazingly transformed into wife Fanny.
I had hoped that they might still be living in the Bangor area in 1891 which could have given you a clue as to which town to search for the burial, but no such luck.
I did check the burial records on FMP, but no Lionel Cox anywhere in 1883.
From what I can see you need Gwynedd Family History Society. They have burial indexes, but I haven't checked which places the indexes cover. The indexes are sold on fiche, but if you don't have access to a fiche reader, the Society may do a look-up for a small donation.
The alternative is to buy the death certificate, and then hope that Lionel is buried in the town in which the death took place so that hopefully you don't have to search too many PRs.
Pam

ewan
23-11-2009, 9:45 AM
Hi Ewan,
After having failed to find a death registration I suddenly had a horrid feeling that you might have been talking about Bangor in Northern Ireland, so I thought I'd double-check the full GRO Index. Poor little mite to have had his name misspelt in the Index, which was why I never found him on FreeBMD. Linoel indeed.
But of course, it is Bangor in Wales you're looking at. However, remember that the Bangor referred to in the GRO Index is the registration district which may or may not mean that Lionel was buried in Bangor town itself. He could equally have been buried in any of the places in the district (http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/bangor.html).
Thanks to daughter Maude, I have finally found the family in 1891, living in Brighton, RG12/813 folio 28 page 14 (record held by TNA, Crown Copyright) with wife Ellen amazingly transformed into wife Fanny.
I had hoped that they might still be living in the Bangor area in 1891 which could have given you a clue as to which town to search for the burial, but no such luck.
I did check the burial records on FMP, but no Lionel Cox anywhere in 1883.
From what I can see you need Gwynedd Family History Society. They have burial indexes, but I haven't checked which places the indexes cover. The indexes are sold on fiche, but if you don't have access to a fiche reader, the Society may do a look-up for a small donation.
The alternative is to buy the death certificate, and then hope that Lionel is buried in the town in which the death took place so that hopefully you don't have to search too many PRs.
Pam


Hello Pam thanks for your interest and reply.

Even though, obviously, I never knew little Lionel (as I affectionately I call him, he had measles when he died) I do feel sad for him.

Lionel actually died at Garth Bangor, in 1881 his family were living in Plymouth and then, as you mention, Brighton for the 1891 census. I am trying to find out whether the family lived in Wales or was it just dad that went to Bangor and took Lionel (mum was 7 months pregnant at the time). If the family stayed in Plymouth, perhaps he was buried nearer there, I don't know (did relatives have their family buried in totally different places to where they died in those days, I know people do now). I was hoping the national burial index may have shown him being buried somewhere.

Dad was living on the Isle of Man for the 1901 census on his own, did he take a 'shine' to the Isle of Man whilst he was in North Wales, as there is no family connection to Wales whatsoever. Why did he go to North Wales, there are so many questions, that I don't think can be answered.

I did try to contact the Gwynedd Family History Society but there appeared to be a 'broken link' to send an email to them.

Many thanks
Ewan

pattenwalsh
23-11-2009, 11:46 PM
To contact the Gwynedd by e mail try the following address...gwyndaf@uwclub.net
This is their latest e mail address

Gododdin
23-11-2009, 11:55 PM
Hi Ewan,
This should get you on to the Gwynedd FHS page:
gwyneddfhs.org/ (put www. in front)
then click on the "Please click here to sign our guestbook" where you can leave a message after signing in.
Failing that / in addition you might look at
www. welshgenealogy.net/
whose compiler is a dab hand on the Bangor area.
Good luck,
Godo

ewan
25-11-2009, 9:31 AM
Thank you both for your assistance regarding burial records.

I will try and contact Gwynedd FHS again using the email address you have given. I will also look at the welshgenealogy site to see if there is any help on there.

Thank you again.
Ewan

ewan
12-12-2009, 12:51 PM
Does anyone have access to historical directories that are not online (or help by another pair of eyes at the ones that are online). I have been quite successful finding my great granddad in these directories eg Brighton, Plymouth and the Isle of Man, and I have since discovered that his child died in Caernarvonshire and would liked to determine if possible how long he was in the area for, by means of these directories.

William Henry Cox, normally comes under the occupation of Electro Plater, Gilder, Plater, Silvermith or Jeweller. Possibly between 1881 and 1891.

Any leads to finding him in Wales greatly welcomed.

thank you
Ewan

Jan1954
12-12-2009, 1:48 PM
Hello Ewan,

I do not know which years that you are interested in, but this (http://www.parishchest.com/shop/index.php?cmd=viewproduct&cat=&id=P9392&pageOffset=0) is available from Parish Chest and includes Caernarvonshire. :)

Geoffers
12-12-2009, 2:04 PM
Anyone answering the query concerning directories, please be aware that a duplicate (and now closed) thread exists here (http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54139) which contains some additional detail.

ewan
12-12-2009, 2:41 PM
Hello Jan and thank you for your reply. I will have a look at the Parish Chest material to see what information there is that would be of interest to me.

Ewan