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peterg123
09-04-2008, 12:02 AM
Hi, being in Africa I can hardly search parish records or figure out the fine details of the Birth of George Terry in Corton, Suffolk around 1825, sometimes says abt 1827.

He is certainly around in the 1861 census (Class: RG9; Piece: 1087; Folio: 53; Page: 48;) though I can't find a trace in the 1851 and 1841 census.

His wife is Catherine b Newcastle,Ireland. He is listed in the Coastguards from GENUKI links.

I am very anxious to find his parents names/birthplaces, and presume this could only come from locating his birth record or him in earlier census, as by 1861 he is living on his own.

Any help would be much appreciated indeed.

bumblebee
09-04-2008, 12:22 AM
His wife is on the 1851 with children and her mother but no sign of George.

1851 census

Bradwell Near The Sea Essex

Waterside

Mary Sicely 52 Wife's Mother, Married, born Cornwall St Ives.
Catherina Terry 25 Wife, Married, born Ireland
Martha Terry 1
Mary Ann Terry 3

Class: HO107; Piece: 1778; Folio: 248; Page: 5

Mother is called Sicely (surname) and there is a marriage which looks likely, could you send for the certificate as it could have a father's name on it.

Mary Catherine Sicely on the same page as a George Terry

1846 Q4 Maldon Essex 12 311

(Other names are on the same page)

Bumblebee

bumblebee
09-04-2008, 12:30 AM
For 3.50 you can download what could probably be his Seaman's/Coastguard Record from the National Archives Site. - George Terry born Coston, Suffolk, No.75765. This may give you his whereabouts in 1851 and 1841. - the date on this says October 1820 - not sure if that is supposed to be his birthdate..

Bumblebee

bumblebee
09-04-2008, 12:49 AM
The IGI has an extracted entry for a George Terry christened in Corton, Suffolk, 3rd September 1826, Father George Terry, Mother Ann Welch.

bumblebee

There is also an extracted marriage entry for an Ann Welch and George Terry, 8th June 1824, Gorleston with Southtown, Suffolk.

peterg123
09-04-2008, 8:25 AM
Well done bumblebee.....very grateful. The fact that there were 4 King's George has meant George is one of the most accursed names in British Geneaology. Indeed between 1800 and 1900 who is NOT called George?

bumblebee
09-04-2008, 10:41 AM
I know what you mean about George, William is another name that puts in a fairly regular appearance in my tree.

Good luck with the rest of the research.

Bumblebee

peterg123
09-04-2008, 9:24 PM
What a slog these census are on ancesry.co.uk, or maybe it's just me. I have clear births and no deaths for Martha Clara Terry and Elizabeth Terry and Mary Ann Terry all born of George and Mary Catherine Terry as we have jointly traced.

However in the next two census on ancestry co uk there is no record I can find of them.

Of course George was at sea sometimes, probably why he was not counted in 1851 census you kindly looked up for me.

The 1881 is a brilliant census. What gives with these others? They seem very poor quality??

peterg123
09-04-2008, 11:35 PM
Thanks for the following, and I have even made some progress with the vague 1841 and 51 census.

The IGI has an extracted entry for a George Terry christened in Corton, Suffolk, 3rd September 1826, Father George Terry, Mother Ann Welch.

bumblebee

There is also an extracted marriage entry for an Ann Welch and George Terry, 8th June 1824, Gorleston with Southtown, Suffolk.


You gavethis entry and it has helped but I cannot find a death for the said George Terry nor any way to get to his own parents and find out his father's and mothers names or birthplaces.

I am learning fast, but wonder if your experience might provide ideas on how to get past this problem.

Have a Good One....Kenya I hope will not agan go up in flames this month!

peterg123
09-04-2008, 11:39 PM
[QUOTE=peterg123;153595]Thanks for the following, and I have even made some progress with the vague 1841 and 51 census.

The IGI has an extracted entry for a George Terry christened in Corton, Suffolk, 3rd September 1826, Father George Terry, Mother Ann Welch.

bumblebee

There is also an extracted marriage entry for an Ann Welch and George Terry, 8th June 1824, Gorleston with Southtown, Suffolk.


You gavethis entry and it has helped but I cannot find a death for the said George Terry nor any way to get to his own parents and find out his father's and mothers names or birthplaces.

I should mention the last post should have separated the George Terry. George Terry's (Corton) father and mother I do of course know. They are George Terry and Ann Welch (Gorleston).

What nI meant was, how to trace the birthplaces/dates and after that the possible parents of George (Goreston)..Is it Via IGI since the earlier census are not online?
Thanks again!

peterg123
09-04-2008, 11:41 PM
I should mention the last post should have separated the George Terrys. George Terry's (Corton) father and mother I do of course know. They are George Terry and Ann Welch (Gorleston) thanks to Bumblebee

What I meant was, how to trace their birthplaces/dates and after that the possible parents of George/Ann (Gorelston)..Is it Via IGI since the earlier census are not online?


Thanks again!

bumblebee
10-04-2008, 2:23 PM
Hi

This is the reference for the 1861 census

Class: RG9; Piece: 1087; Folio: 53; Page: 48

This is the reference for the 1871 - No 2 Coast guard Street. (Transcribed as Ferry)

RG10 Piece 1668 Folio:158 Page:9


You just have to get used to 'the' site to get the best out of it, don't be too specific in your search criteria. It is not bad census information you are dealing with but transcription errors. There are of course missing pieces from all the census.

Bumblebee

bumblebee
10-04-2008, 2:30 PM
As regards taking the family further back then the parish records are the only way to go. Obviously as you are too far away to visit Record Offices you may be able to get someone to do a look-up for you if you post a request. Keep trawling the IGI as the records available do change.

As regards the later deaths and births you can purchase certificates from the GRO online and sometimes you just have to order a certificate and hope it is the correct one. There are a couple of birth registration possible entries for Flora for instance.

Bumblebee

bumblebee
10-04-2008, 2:47 PM
There is a possible marriage for Martha Clara Terry in 1872 Rochford Essex, to either Harry Barker or Frederick Charles Billett. (I would plump for Harry Barker going by the census).

Bumblebee

suffolk sue
10-04-2008, 6:08 PM
On the Suffolk Marriage Index 1813 = 1837, it says that when George Terry married Ann Welsh, he was a widower.

suffolk sue
11-04-2008, 8:10 AM
There are more children baptised to George and Ann on the IGI and I think this has led me to find the family in 1841.

Ann Letitia Terry = 24 FEB 1828 Corton

Letitia Terry = 27 MAR 1825 Corton

Martha Terry = About 1832 Kessingland, Suffolk

Mary Ann Terry = 17 OCT 1830 Corton

Thomas Terry = 10 MAY 1829 Corton

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1841

HO107/1121/3 = Brighton, Sussex
Folio 8 and 9, Pages 9 and 10
Colebrook Row

TERRY
George = 52 = occupation unclear.
Ann - 44
Ann = 13
Thomas = 12
Mary = 10
Martha = 9
James = 7
Matthew = 5
Sarah = 2

They are all born out of the county, except George, where its stated he was born in the county.

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The family is here in 1851, still in Sussex, George senior was born in West Wittering, Sussex.

HO107; Piece: 1645; Folio: 209; Page: 11

Apologies if you already have this info.

suffolk sue
11-04-2008, 8:58 AM
Burial
from National Burial Index.

George TERRY
Date of burial: 22 Nov 1853
Age at death: 64
Calculated year of birth: 1789
Place of burial: Brighton
St Nicholas/hanover Chapel
Sussex

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George Terry
1853
Dec qtr.
Brighton
Volume: 2b
Page: 114

suffolk sue
11-04-2008, 9:16 AM
1841

HO107/327/12 = Burnham, Essex
Folio 19, Page 4
Silver Lane

SICELY
Hugh = 40 = navy
Mary = 40
William = 14
Catherine = 12
Edward = 10
Martha = 7
John = 3
Elizabeth = 4 months

all born out of county, except Catherine in Ireland and Elizabeth in Essex.

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Burial

James SICELY
Date of burial: 24 Jan 1855
Age at death: 30 Months
Calculated year of birth: 1853
Place of burial: Burnham on Crouch
St Mary the Virgin
Essex

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In 1861, the Sicelys are living next door to the Terrys.

suffolk sue
11-04-2008, 10:10 AM
More burials

Hugh SICILY
Date of burial: 9 Feb 1878
Age at death: 80
Calculated year of birth: 1798
Place of burial: Burnham on Crouch
St Mary the Virgin
Essex

Hugh Sicily
1878
Mar qtr.
Age at Death: 80
Maldon (1837-1972)
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 169

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Mary SICILY
Date of burial: 30 Dec 1872
Age at death: 72
Calculated year of birth: 1800
Place of burial: Burnham on Crouch
Dedication: St Mary the Virgin
Essex

Mary Sicily
1872
Dec qtr.
Age at Death: 72
Maldon (1837-1972)
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 141

peterg123
12-04-2008, 10:43 AM
Because my internet connection is slow, maybe it just got me blurry eyed, though I did take a mental note on the Sussex and Wittering "Terry" (on Free BMD) you mentioned and researched, if only because the habits of sailors ( I just saw this in Madagascar with very tribal ones who were sea nomads) were semi nomadic and tended to never move far from Coasts and preferred to move up and down them).

There is also James F. Sicely also active in the coastguards around the time as George and Hugh and very near either in Essex or Suffolk. He is also born in Ireland just south of Catherine. I learned Coastguards were often stationed in Ireland from England.

Hugh Sicely was born in St. Ives also his wife and there is another Sicely I saw born in Devon, Torquay I think. I can't get more info on Hugh, but he is obviously "the padrone" as the Italians say of his family and used his influence to get other nautical Siceleys into a good job.

Interesting here is that my G-G George William Terry (3) b. Bradwell 1852 married Mary catherine Sicely as his second wife c 1878 when his first ( Harriet Hollis..a complete blank on backresearching her so far) died from childbirth complications giving birth to my G-Aunt Ethel Evelyn ( I have deduced this from her dying just weeks after giving birth).

One imagines a scenario where Geo William (3), raised in Coastguards, is suddenly bereaved and calls upon a childhood friend Mary Catherine Sicely, also from coastguard "growing up together", to marry him.

She lived to the ripe age of 91, dying in 1916 in Medway, and is the "Grande Dame" along with the very fertile Ann Welch, of our family.

Perhaps you have different software and search capabilities in UK but I will certainly follow up your superb leads.

Being called George Terry was about as helpful as being called John Smith in the 19th Century.

However the Sicelys do bear more examination. There is a complete clan of them, all Essex people later on and the odd Devon one. My theory, which I can't confirm as I can't so far get to origins of Hugh Sicely and his Wife) is that they were Cornwall/Devon nautical people ( tho where before St.Ives?) who moved to the East coast and a large clan of Sicelys all around Essex in the 19th 20th C's are all descended from the Hugh branch. A few others spent time in Ireland.

Or just as likely, Hugh was in the RN and posted from Cornwall to Newcatle,Ire and there married and was later moved to the coastguards East Coast of England. You could not get into the CGs unless you were ex-RN

You are a great help, anything you can find on originating Sicelys (spellings Sisly, Siceley etc) in Southern England would be fascinating...like I say you have either rescources, and certainly experience, that defeats me.

My old Mum, 81, widowed in Kenya, is totally thrilled with my weekly chapters of her almost totally unknown family. So the dead console and interest the living.

Many Thanks Peter

peterg123
14-04-2008, 12:22 AM
Dear Sue,

Thanks to your wonderful ability, the Perry in the HO107; Piece: 1645; Folio: 209; Page: 11 1851 is indeed Terry and, he is a Superintendent Coast Guard from the very scratchy writing that I can hardly read. Perfect!

This has led me to learn the IGI better and I find a slew of Terry's born in W.Wittiringham and Newhaven, Sussex, and going furter, one born in Felling Sussex, all of which are coastal towns. I am trying to untangle them and it's confusing:

George Terry c. 10 Feb 1791 W Witt, father James, mother Mary
James Terry c. 12 May 1765 W Witt fr John, m Eliza BUT! f John b 1840 Newhaven m. Elizabeth folllowed by further 12 children!
John Terry b 1723 W.Witt m Ann Barnes 1848 W.Witt
John Terry c21 May 1849 W Witt d 28 Aug 1850 W.Witt p John and Ann

It makes my head spin in contrast to your experienced cool one.

Cheers :-) Happy Peter

PS At this rate I hope to end up in the Domesday book.