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jackiereasons
07-03-2008, 3:25 PM
Hi,
My Great Great Grandfather, Frederick Hulbert, was German born About 1839,
Trying to find when he came to this country UK.I have found him on two records One his sons Birth cert,1873, then on the 1891 census, with is son ,no wife .
On this census it states he is a Naturalised British subject,What I am wondering is ,how long do you have to be in this country to become Naturalised?
I have done some searching on the national archivies,with no luck yet, as I don't know when he came here. also is it possible that there might have been a name change?
Thanks Jackie

Peter Goodey
07-03-2008, 3:37 PM
What is the 1891 census reference please?

jackiereasons
07-03-2008, 3:45 PM
St peters Carmarthen Wales Born 1839 Germany

Peter Goodey
07-03-2008, 4:57 PM
There's a good bit of reading matter here if you haven't found it already

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=242

jackiereasons
07-03-2008, 5:50 PM
Took a look at the info ,seems I will have to write to the Immigration nationality dept. I will read it again to get my head around all the info.
Thanks very much
Jackie

Colin Moretti
07-03-2008, 7:42 PM
Hello Jackie

Naturalisation records up to 1930 are all in the TNA catalogue, just search for the name, department code HO; if it doesn't show up try different spellings (see section 5 of the leaflet Peter suggested). If you still can't find him it will probably mean that in fact he wasn't naturalised, despite what it says in the census, unless he applied for a private act of parliament - only something that would be done if one had money to spare.

Procedure From 1844
In 1844, the procedure for naturalisation was simplified and the Home Office began granting certificates. Home Office Background Naturalisation papers to applications can be found in HO 1 for 1844 to 1871, HO 45 for 1872 to 1878, HO 144 from 1879 to 1934, ... Note that even rejections are included in the catalogue.



The Home Office papers between 1844-1930 in HO 1 , HO 45 , HO 144 , and HO 405 can be searched by name using the Catalogue (www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue); see section 5 for guidance.

Naturalisation doesn't come automatically with residence, application has to be made to the Home Office

Colin

jackiereasons
08-03-2008, 12:02 PM
Thanks to you both, for sorting the info out for me . Will let you know how I get on .
Regards Jackie

suedent
08-03-2008, 3:06 PM
Thanks for the link Peter, I'm now waiting for the papers of my husbands g-grandfather John Olsson who was born in Sweden but settled in Sunderland (after jumping ship in Hull c.1871!)

Rina H
10-03-2008, 8:43 PM
Can I add my thanks too please. Having read the thread and followed the links I am now devouring the naturalisation papers of hubby's gg grandmother, Hannah Thoel. She was born Hannah O'Donnell, and lived all her life in Everton but applied for naturalisation at 57 years of age in 1916. I am assuming she became a German subject when she married Theodor her German husband who died in 1908. The timing of the application must be significant, surely

Anyway, thanks again - the papers were packed with detail and I found a daughter I never knew about too!

Rina H