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clive_t
10-11-2004, 12:10 AM
Good evening everybody

I've just stumbled across this site by accident - so I thought I would chance my arm and join up.

I have recently embarked on researching my family history - mostly anecdotal evidence so far, but one of the things that interests me is the story that my maternal grandfather lost 2 of his brothers in WW1 - he of course survived. I'm trying to find out a bit more about where and when they died. I am told their names feature on a war memorial in Bristol, but that's about it.

I've done numerous searches of the internet, using 'Roll of Honour' and 'Bristol' as part of the search, without any luck. Can anyone suggest any specific sites to search, or organisations to enquire with?

I did try the National Archives site, but no matches for the specific names.

Sorry if this is sounds a silly question, but I'm still quite new to all this family research stuff!

Thanks in advance

Clive

Jo Simpsons
10-11-2004, 12:21 AM
Have you tried here?

http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/search.aspx

Jo :)

David Wilkins
10-11-2004, 1:14 AM
The site that Jo Simpson has given you is excellent, only last night I found a relative of mine that died in action in 1917 in France. Well worth a look.

David Wilkins Auckland NZ

Linda Bailey
10-11-2004, 8:19 AM
Hi
A site I only came across yesterday is:

http://www.wargraves.org.uk/

I've volunteered to go to the local church and photograph the graves there to add to the collection that they are building up.

Which name are you looking for and I could check the War Memorial near me in Bristol but I suspect there are a great many throughout the city.

Linda

clive_t
10-11-2004, 7:35 PM
Thanks all for your replies.

I have tried the sites mentioned, sadly no matches on either. I wonder if they are 2 of the many with 'no known grave'?

Linda, the surname is Badman, the first names are either Ernest, Alfred or William. (I understand that 2 of them died, the third emigrated to Canada). My sister tells me that she thinks she remembers seeing the names on the city centre memorial? It's a long time since I lived there, so I'm having difficulty picturing it in my mind! If it's difficult for you to get there then please don't worry about it - many thanks for your kind offer though!

Cheers

Clive

Geoffers
12-11-2004, 8:49 AM
I have tried the sites mentioned, sadly no matches on either. I wonder if they are 2 of the many with 'no known grave'?...the surname is Badman, the first names are either Ernest, Alfred or William. (I understand that 2 of them died, the third emigrated to Canada).
Even if the brothers died and there is no known grave, I would have thought that they would appear on one of the memorials to be found searching the CWGC website. Could the two who survived have been step-brothers of the chap who survived (i.e. they had a different surname???)

I suggest that you check for their deaths on the minor indices kept with the main GRO index. These have been copied onto fiches and can be seen at many Local Studies' Libraries/County Records Offices around the UK.

The index you need to check depends on the service and whether or not they were commissioned; those for WW1 war deaths are:

Index to Naval War Deaths 1914-1921
Index to Army Other Ranks' War Deaths 1914-1921
Index to Army Officers' War Deaths 1914-1921

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

keith9351
12-11-2004, 9:44 AM
Have you tried the Medal Roll, if they served in WW1 they would have recieved medals.

Try documents online.

Keith

clive_t
13-11-2004, 11:59 PM
Hello Geoffers

I believe they were all brothers - they all appear in the 1901 census with the same surnam and relationship to the head of the household - 'son'. I'll try the fiche searches as you suggest, many thanks for your reply.

Hello Keith,

I've looked at the medal roll page, and now that I know (well I think I know...) that none of my grandfather's brothers had middle names, the list of possible candidates has shortened considerably. So I'll maybe take a punt and try and order a copy. Strangely enough, my grandfather (Edward Walter Badman) does not appear anywhere in the medal roll, even though I know for a fact he had medals from WW1. Thanks also, though, for your reply.

Regards

Clive

clive_t
15-11-2004, 9:32 AM
Hi
A site I only came across yesterday is:

http://www.wargraves.org.uk/

I've volunteered to go to the local church and photograph the graves there to add to the collection that they are building up.

Which name are you looking for and I could check the War Memorial near me in Bristol but I suspect there are a great many throughout the city.

Linda
Linda, I hope I'm not too late - after a discussion with my sister who came to visit yesterday, it seems it wasn't a Bristol war memorial after all - she now thinks it's at Weston-Super-Mare! I'm very sorry if I've wasted your time...

Clive

Linda Bailey
15-11-2004, 10:02 AM
No I've had visitors all weekend so I've been too busy to go looking (or log on), I will bear it in mind, and see if I can convince the family ;) we would love a day walking on the beach sometime in the near future and we could see if we could find it.
Linda

Guy Etchells
15-11-2004, 12:06 PM
The Commonwealth War Graves Commission website shows the following BADMAN entries -

1 BADMAN, A E Bombardier 78090 31/10/1917 32 Royal Garrison Artillery United Kingdom IV. I. 17. TALANA FARM CEMETERY
2 BADMAN, CHARLIE Private 89457 04/02/1919 24 Royal Army Medical Corps United Kingdom 2911. WESTON-SUPER-MARE CEMETERY
3 BADMAN, CECIL FRANCIS Private 7703 26/07/1916 20 Royal Army Medical Corps United Kingdom II. E. 14. HEILLY STATION CEMETERY, MERICOURT-L'ABBE
4 BADMAN, ERNEST Private 8027 09/11/1914 24 Somerset Light Infantry United Kingdom Panel 3 PLOEGSTEERT MEMORIAL
5 BADMAN, E J Private 202804 21/03/1917 19 Wiltshire Regiment United Kingdom South of West end of Church. WICK (or Week St. Lawrence) (ST. LAWRENCE) CHURCHYARD
6 BADMAN, F Private 9916 19/12/1914 Unknown Somerset Light Infantry United Kingdom II. B. 1. PLOEGSTEERT WOOD MILITARY CEMETERY
7 BADMAN, FRANCIS HENRY Private 15930 03/07/1916 27 Suffolk Regiment United Kingdom Pier and Face 1 C and 2 A THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
8 BADMAN, HORACE GILBERT Private 70407 26/05/1918 Unknown Devonshire Regiment United Kingdom SOISSONS MEMORIAL
9 BADMAN, HENRY JAMES Private 48101 13/04/1918 Unknown Welsh Regiment United Kingdom Panel 7 PLOEGSTEERT MEMORIAL
10 BADMAN, HENRY JOHN Private 702365 05/04/1918 27 London Regiment United Kingdom I. D. 9. MARTINSART BRITISH CEMETERY
11 BADMAN, JOSEPH Private 41172 20/11/1917 Unknown Worcestershire Regiment United Kingdom Panel 6 CAMBRAI MEMORIAL, LOUVERVAL
12 BADMAN, OLIVER HENRY Private 1859 27/04/1915 17 Gloucestershire Regiment United Kingdom I. F. 9. LANCASHIRE COTTAGE CEMETERY
13 BADMAN, R C Second Lieutenant 21/10/1918 Unknown South Lancashite 7703 26/07/1916 20 Royal Army Medical Corps United Kingdom II. E. 14. HEILLY STATION CEMETERY, MERICOURT-L'ABBE
14 BADMAN, R J Driver T/29330 10/11/1918 Unknown Army Service Corps United Kingdom S. II. GG. 2. ST. SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN

clive_t
15-11-2004, 6:19 PM
Guy

Many thanks for taking the time to post this.

The nearest in that list would have been Ernest Badman, but the age didn't match (at the outbreak of WW1 he would have been about 30), and neither did the 'Additional detail' field, containing the 'son of...' info, match my understanding of his parents' names.

The search for info continues!

Thanks again, much appreciated

Clive

Karen
16-11-2004, 8:37 AM
Looking for just the E, A and W Badhams (before I'd seen Guy's more comprehensive list) I found the following E.J. from Weston-Super-Mare:

Name: BADMAN Initials: E J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment: Wiltshire Regiment Unit Text: 4th Reserve Bn.

clive_t
17-11-2004, 12:24 AM
Looking for just the E, A and W Badhams (before I'd seen Guy's more comprehensive list) I found the following E.J. from Weston-Super-Mare:

Name: BADMAN Initials: E J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment: Wiltshire Regiment Unit Text: 4th Reserve Bn.

Thanks Karen - not sure if this is the right one, though. I am told that there are 2 Badman names on the memorial, wherever the thing is! I also believe that neither of the brothers had middle names. According to the birth registry entries anyway.

But I will store this info away just in case!

Thanks again.

Clive

peter nicholl
24-11-2004, 5:30 PM
Hi Clive
The main War Memorial in Weston super Mare is in Grove Park. It has only the following 2 entries for Badman; C Badman RAMC and S Badman RE. Looking at the CWGC site C Badman is Charlie, Son of Henry and Caroline Badman, 56 Clevedon Rd WsM and S Badman is Samuel, son of Samuel and Rhoda Badman, WsM. Charlie is shown on the 1901 Census, but I couldn't find Samuel. There is an E J Badman on the CWGC site, buried near WsM, at Wick St Lawrence. As he is buried there you should be able to get an English Death Certificate, rather than an Overseas one, which tend to be less informative: that's if you want to follow it up. There is also a F Badman shown as in the Somerset Light Infantry and by coincidence seems to have been killed in the same skirmish as one of my blokes (see First Use of Gas). Badman is quite a common name around this part of "Somerset".
Regards
Peter

AndyC
24-11-2004, 9:25 PM
Keith, thanks for posting that address - I've just managed to find a listing for my great uncle who I never knew fought in WW1 (I'm new to all this).

Cheers

Andy

AndyC
24-11-2004, 9:26 PM
Have you tried the Medal Roll, if they served in WW1 they would have recieved medals.

Try documents online.

Keith
Keith, thanks for posting that address - I've just managed to find a listing for my great uncle who I never knew fought in WW1 (I'm new to all this).

Cheers

Andy

clive_t
18-12-2004, 11:28 AM
Hello again folks

Well the search continues, with 2 new items of information...

Firstly the 2 brothers who fell were Ernest and William Badman. Alfred was apparently the one who emigrated to Canada.

Secondly my dear sister now seems to think the names are on a memorial in Plymouth of all places. Is there anyone on here who is from that area, who, next time they are passing a memorial, could have a look for the names E Badman and W Badman?

Yours in hope

Clive

clive_t
18-12-2004, 11:31 AM
Hi Clive
The main War Memorial in Weston super Mare is in Grove Park. It has only the following 2 entries for Badman; C Badman RAMC and S Badman RE. Looking at the CWGC site C Badman is Charlie, Son of Henry and Caroline Badman, 56 Clevedon Rd WsM and S Badman is Samuel, son of Samuel and Rhoda Badman, WsM. Charlie is shown on the 1901 Census, but I couldn't find Samuel. There is an E J Badman on the CWGC site, buried near WsM, at Wick St Lawrence. As he is buried there you should be able to get an English Death Certificate, rather than an Overseas one, which tend to be less informative: that's if you want to follow it up. There is also a F Badman shown as in the Somerset Light Infantry and by coincidence seems to have been killed in the same skirmish as one of my blokes (see First Use of Gas). Badman is quite a common name around this part of "Somerset".
Regards
Peter

Sorry Peter, I missed your reply - for which I thank you obviously! However, it's unlikely that this is the man I'm after - my grandfather and all his siblings were born in Bristol to Edward and Alice Badman. It is likely though that there is a relationship there somewhere, as my G-grandfather Edward Badman was born in W-S-M.

Cheers

Clive

Steve Fuller
30-12-2004, 12:09 AM
Only a thought, but have you tracked their death certs down yet? My GG's has his Regmntl No which would obviously start the game off for ya - sounds worth a go to me?? Have you also tried different spellings (I tried Bedman, Batman etc at the PRO On Line MIC's ...)

clive_t
31-12-2004, 11:32 PM
Cheers Steve, I tried looking for the death certificate index on 1837-online, but no luck - I went right through from Q3 1914 to Q2 of 1919, but no joy. It's a fair point about the spelling variations though.
Thanks

Clive

Geoffers
31-12-2004, 11:50 PM
I tried looking for the death certificate index on 1837-online, but no luck - I went right through from Q3 1914 to Q2 of 1919, but no joy. It's a fair point about the spelling variations though.
Thanks CliveIf you're looking for a military death; just a passing thought but did you check the military deaths indexes rather than the ordinary GRO index? You may need to check:

Index to Naval War Deaths 1914-1921
Index to Army Other Ranks' War Deaths 1914-1921
Index to Army Officers' War Deaths 1914-1921

(These are not available on 1837 online)

Geoffers
Charlbury, Oxfordshire

clive_t
02-01-2005, 10:16 PM
Geoffers,

In my ignorance I did not realise military deaths were in a separate index. I've had a look on the Nat. Archive site, but can't see them... do the military deaths indexes exist on line? If so, could you possibly point me at them?

Thanks again

Clive

Geoffers
02-01-2005, 10:21 PM
Geoffers,
In my ignorance I did not realise military deaths were in a separate index. I've had a look on the Nat. Archive site, but can't see them... do the military deaths indexes exist on line? If so, could you possibly point me at them? CliveMilitary deaths are not online.

The original registers are available at the FRC in London. The indexes have been copied onto fiches are available at most Local Studies Libraries/County Record Offices. I'd suggest you 'phone your local facility and see if they hold it and ask if you need to book a fiche reader.

Geoffers

Amendment - military death indexes and soldiers who died in WW1 are now on 1837online.

clive_t
02-01-2005, 10:43 PM
Geoffers, many thanks for your help

Clive

ET in the USA
03-04-2006, 3:51 PM
Clive,
Hope you are still working on this old chestnut :)

I looked for all burials for BADMAN on the W-s-M cemetary database and came up with the following list. If there are any you like, I can see if there is more information (birth date, Memorial Inscription, etc.)


Grave # NAME YEAR AGE

Tc 1426 BADMAN Alfred 1879 56
Tu 292 BADMAN Alfred 1902 52
Tu 330 BADMAN Alfred 1918 37
V 809 BADMAN Alice 1963 89
Tc 1288 BADMAN Ann 1886 63
Tu 1972 BADMAN Arthur Edgar 1908 20
N 432 BADMAN Arthur William 1966 74
Tc 2909 BADMAN Caroline 1936 81
Tc 1288 BADMAN Charles 1884 53
Tc 3023 BADMAN Charles 1885 1
Tc 3573 BADMAN Charles 1893 75
Tu 835 BADMAN Charles 1904 87
D 90 BADMAN Edgar Randall 1927 14
G 132 BADMAN Edwin James 1923 70
H 50 BADMAN Elizabeth Ann 1947 69
Red 51 BADMAN Emily Louisa 1989 98
T' 80 BADMAN Ernest Charles 1958 83
Tc 3127 BADMAN Ernest Walter 1951 71
F 68 BADMAN Esau 1935 87
Tc 2909 BADMAN Henry 1932 95
G 110 BADMAN Henry Charles Tucker (Harry) 1924 18
H 50 BADMAN Herbert Eric James 1928 24
Tc 1288 BADMAN James 1866 79
Tc 3420 BADMAN Jane 1891 79
Z 88 BADMAN Jane 1941 76
Tu 1282 BADMAN Joan Sylvia 1939 5wks
Tc 3127 BADMAN Lily 1961 77
F 68 BADMAN Lydia Jane 1934 67
Tc 2909 BADMAN Martha Jane 1972 82
Tc 4273 BADMAN Mary 1856 45
Tu 292 BADMAN Mary 1884 68
Tu 719 BADMAN Mary 1906 63
Tc 2080 BADMAN Mary Ann 1887 15
G 132 BADMAN Mary Ann 1937 83
Tc 2419 BADMAN Mary Ann 1903 55
Tc 2909 BADMAN Mary Jane 1886 23
N 156 BADMAN Oliver Fred James 1942 66
Tc 2909 BADMAN Susannah 1899 76
Tu 292 BADMAN Walter 1868 48
Tu 1340 BADMAN William 1918 71
X 55 BADMAN William 1933 79
Tc 2911 BADMAN Charles 1919 24

mack
27-05-2006, 12:58 PM
clive,the only brothers that i know of were these two
ernest,r badman
1st somerset light infantry
8027
age 24
killed in action 9-11-14
enlisted street,somerset
born,street

cecil,francis badman
14th field ambulance,royal army medical corps
age 20
7703
died of wounds 26-7-16
enlisted glastonbury
born street,somerset
both the sons of george+kate badman,28 green lane,street,somerset
mack

plantheaven
21-06-2006, 10:05 PM
to add my bit - military deaths can be found on 1837online pay per view site. Having spent many a day ploughing through military fiche and film at TNA I can tell you that medal cards etc. are not universal. For instance your rellie could be under initial or full name or a mixture of both there does not seem to be a standard!!! Occasionally there are no records for an individual due to loss or mis-filing but to lose all of those you are looking for is unusual unless it is the service files which could have been lost in the blitz.
My advice would be to search 1837online for military deaths. If they died later from wounds they may not have found their way to CWGC site, although that is also unusual as they do a sterling job.
Your relatives may not have a second name on their birth certs. but could have a baptismal/confirmation name or they were given a second name after the birth was registered.
Sorry to cloud the issue even further but hope you find some helpful info. here. At the end of the day they may not have served overseas.