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15-01-2006, 11:35 AM
Hi all,

I am a new Australian member of your wonderful forum and am seeking any information on the Barnes family in Syston Lincolnshire.

I have a John Barnes who was born in Syston around 1825 according to the 1851 census. His death certificate notes that his father was John Barnes as well.

John Barnes (Junior) married Sarah Ann Punch in Stepney, London in 1852 and later emigrated to Victoria, Australia.

I would greatly appreciate any information that anyone may be able to help me with.



Geoff Everitt
15-01-2006, 12:28 PM
The 1841 census for Syston has

John BARNES 45 AgLab
Ann 45
William 25
Allen 11
Sarah 9
George 6

next door
Jane BARNES 55 Ind
John 25 AgLab
Hugh? 20 AgLab
Susanna 20
Ann 10
Mary 5
Thomas 2m
All born Lincs

The IGI has-
John BARNES bap Syston 7 Sept 1823 (son of John and Sarah)

National Burial Index has
Sarah BARNES buried Syston 22 May 1838 (45)

and the Lincs FHS marriage transcription has

John BARNES (son of John) to Ann WILKINSON (dau of Samuel) at Great Gonerby 17 Dec 1838.

15-01-2006, 12:36 PM
Hi Tammie,
This may be the baptism of John:-

John son of John & Sarah Barnes bap. 7th Sept 1823 Syston Lincs.

Also baptised to the same couple are:-
John 3 Nov 1819
Elizabeth 29 July 1821
John 7 Sept 1823
Mary 19 Feb 1826
Jane 14 Oct 1827
Allen 19 Sept 1830
Sarah 29 Apr 1832
George 10 May 1835

Cheers Jeremy

Pam Downes
15-01-2006, 7:57 PM
Hi Tammie,
This may be the marriage of the elder John.
John Barnes and Sarah Allen 10 October 1815 Carlton Scroop.
Details from Loveden deanery marriage index published by Lincolnshire FHS

Pam Downes

15-01-2006, 10:21 PM
Hi Tammie,
The baptisms I gave you before at Syston tie in nicely with the information supplied by Geoff and Pam. The William aged 25 on 1841 census seems to be baptised at Long Bennington:- William son of John & Sarah Barnes bap 12 Jan.1816. Long Bennington is due NW of Syston about 8 miles and also fits nicely with the marriage in 1815 at Carlton Scoope about 8 miles NE of Syston and 8 miles due E of Long Bennington.

15-01-2006, 10:35 PM
Hi again Tammie,
1851 gives place of birth for John Barnes (senior) as Wilsford Lincs. He is 60

IGI gives John son of John & Elizabeth Barnes bap 8 Jan 1793 at Wilsford
The same couple bap William Henry 18 April 1794 at Wilsford.


16-01-2006, 9:10 AM
Thankyou to all of you who replied to my call for help so quickly.

The information you gave me sounds very possible. I have had a lot of success searching my family in Australia but have absolutely no idea how to gain bdm certificates in the UK. Would anyone be able to tell me how I need to go about gaining certificates to back up this information that you have told me to make sure that it is correct? I would hate gather all of this information and then find out ten years later that I have been researching the wrong tree!

Thanks again for your wonderful assistance.


16-01-2006, 1:57 PM
Hi Tammie,
Civil registration (BMD certificates) began in England & Wales in July 1837 and therefore you will not be able to substantiate the information we have supplied for you by finding certificates. BMD are fairly well documented in parish registers and this is how most people prove their line, backed up with census information, the first census of any value was taken in 1841 and every 10 years thereafter. Census information does not become available to the public for 100 years so you can search all the censuses up to 1901.
Other ways of proving your line is to search for wills, not everyone left them of course, or checking for MI's (Monumental Inscriptions) most county records have indexs to churchyards & burial grounds covered, the number is quite extensive.

16-01-2006, 1:59 PM
have absolutely no idea how to gain bdm certificates in the UK. Would anyone be able to tell me how I need to go about gaining certificates
There have been several replies on these forums giving such advice, to save typing, look at replies 6,7 and 8 of this thread:

Also, have a look at The National Archives (TNA) web-site
click on the link 'I'm interested in family history', then 'getting started' there are then several links which may be of interest.


16-01-2006, 10:55 PM
The information that I was able to find on the 1851 census does back up the information that all of you were able to find for me as far as the birth at Syston, the father's name, and even the year. So I would say it would be a fair bet that you have found my John Barnes and his family for me! Which is very exciting. I will try the other tips you have given me and see how I go.

Thankyou all,


03-03-2006, 11:35 AM
After searching through my records I think I may have found enough documents to back up some of the info about my Barnes family that you were all kind enough to find for me. I was hoping that you would agree? Would you consider it to be enough to say "Yes" I have found them?

John's death certificate, and 1851 Census state that he was born in 1823, Syston, the three documents state the John's father is John Barnes Snr. This matches with Jeeb's info about a Syston baptism for a John Barnes on 7 Sept 1823 to John and Sarah.

What do you think? Have I found John's family?!

Crossing my fingers,