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Sharon Medley
01-12-2005, 12:19 AM
Is it possible for someone to look for a RICHARD NEEDLE, wife Martha (if still alive at that time) all I know is that Richard was born in 1782 and died in 1856 in Whitechapel. He and Martha were married in Stepney, so did not appear to have travelled far.
Sincerely,
Sharon

jeeb
01-12-2005, 12:42 AM
Hi Sharon,
Are you certain you have the correct Richard Needle in Whitechapel? There is no Richard Needle of the correct age showing on the 1851 index and the only one in Whitechapel in 1851 was born in 1821.
Jeremy.

Sharon Medley
01-12-2005, 2:52 AM
Jeeb,
I was hoping that he was still in Whitechapel since that is where he was born (family lived on Osborne St.) and that is where he died. He did have a son Richard but he was born in 1818.
Sharon

jeeb
01-12-2005, 5:36 PM
Hi Sharon,
I have tried to locate Richard & Martha Needle on 1851 census for you and despite trying many different variations on the name including doing a search for 'Richard' in Whitechapel I'm afraid they do not seem to be there, or anywhere else on that census. However all is not lost because I think Martha is still alive in 1861. I have found the following information for you and hope it will be of use.

1861 census 73 St. Georges Street, St George in the East.
Martha Needle Head Wid. 78 Needlewoman Born Whitechapel
Elizabeth Needle Dau Unm 38 Needlewoman Born Whitechapel
Emma Bryant Dau Unm 16 Born Whitechapel

Emma Bryant is far more likely to be a Grand daughter I think!

There is also this death recorded at
St George in the East, March quarter 1872 Vol 1c Page 303
Martha Needle aged 90

The Richard Needle in Whitechapel I referred to in my last reply on the 1851 census is aged 30, he is a Victualler and living with wife Caroline aged 21, both born Whitechapel. There is also a niece with them named Elizabeth Needle aged 10 born Barking.

There seems to be a connection with Barking because in 1871, what I assume is this same Elizabeth is aged 30 and is in Barking with Richard Needle aged 27 also born Barking (London) with a Charles Needle. a widower aged 49, he was born St. Marys Whitechapel and Richard & Elizabeth are his nephew & niece.

Sharon , do not take too much notice of ages given on censuses, they are often many years out.

Hope this helps, Jeremy.

Sharon Medley
01-12-2005, 7:53 PM
Jeremy, Yes, this does really help. Richard and Martha had 9 children (that I know about). One was Richard, one was Charles born 1821 which would be the right age for the 1871 census ,a daughter Elizabeth.
I won't concern myself too much with the age of Elizabeth or Richard in the 1851 census. I don't have any backup documents for their birth dates just what a relative told me.
I have found Richard Sr. death reg. in the free BMD and sent away for a copy yesterday so maybe it will shed some light on things.
Thank you so much for your information.
Sharon

Sharon Medley
13-12-2005, 12:48 AM
Jeremy,

I just received the death registration for William Needle who died 02 Feb. 1850. Present at his death was a Richard Needle, don't know if it is his father or brother but gives his address as Hooper Square,Whitechapel. Would you be kind enough to see if he is there in the 1851 census.
Sharon

DebbieAnn
13-12-2005, 1:42 AM
Martha's maiden name was Ettridge. Marriage was in 1805, in Spitalfields, Stepney.

In 1851, Richard Needle (30), wife Caroline (21), neice Elizabeth (10) and 3 servants were living at 4, Hooper Square, Whitechapel.

Debbie

Sharon Medley
13-12-2005, 12:19 PM
Debbie,

Thank you very much. Now I can start looking for the marriage of Richard and Caroline. Do you happen to know which CD I will need to find the 1851 census that you mentioned above?

Sharon

DebbieAnn
13-12-2005, 12:58 PM
Does this help?

HO107/1546
Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Goodmans Fields
ED, institution, or vessel: 1g
Folio: 155
Page: 47

Debbie

Sharon Medley
13-12-2005, 2:46 PM
Debbie,

Yes that helps greatly, thank you.
Sharon