Mary was my G.G. Grandmother who married G.G. Grandfather James Thomas Welch in St. Saviour's, Southwark, London in 1871. I can't find any further information about her - when she came to England, parents, etc. Can anyone help please?
Jeff Crawford
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02-10-2014, 3:03 PM #1
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Mary Neil born Bantry, Cork, Ireland c.1838
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06-10-2014, 12:12 PM #2
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Hi Jeff a marriage cert may help, should give you her fathers name and occupation which may help locate her
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07-10-2014, 11:14 AM #3
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These are the marriage details if you haven't got them so you can get a copy
Marriages Dec 1871
Mary Neil, St. Saviour, Vol no 1d, Page no 175
james Thomas Welch, St. Saviour, Vol no 1d, Page no 175
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08-10-2014, 9:21 AM #4janboothGuest
Full marriage details courtesy Ancestry's London Parish Registers:
24 December 1871 at St Peter Southwark James Thomas WELSH, full age, bachelor, Labourer, 4 Russell Place, father Isaac WELSH, Labourer & Mary NEIL, full age, spinster, 4 Russell Place, father Daniel NEIL, Clerk. Both signed and the witnesses were George Pilney? PATTERSON, Arthur Henry WELCH & Sarah Ann BLUNSON?
Ancestry have transcribed Mary's surname as EMIL which has probably confused everyone!
JanetLast edited by janbooth; 08-10-2014 at 9:25 AM. Reason: Wrong info
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08-10-2014, 9:44 AM #5janboothGuest
This could perhaps be Mary in the 1871 census of Stepney (RG10/515, folio 31, pages 57/8):
8 Halifax Street
Daniel NEIL Head Mar 57 Market Porter Cork Ireland
Mary do Wife Mar 57 do do
Mary do Daur Unm 30 Rag Sorter do do
William do Son Unm 19 Brick Laborer do do
Daniel do Son Unm 17 Greengrocers Man do do
The same family are in the 1861 census of Whitechapel (RG9/267, folio 89, page 26) living at 4 Ely Place. In case you do not already have it, James WELCH & his family are in the 1851 census of Southwark (HO107/1558, folio 408, page 53) living at 12 Bedford Row.
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08-10-2014, 10:37 AM #6
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I have the same census as you Janet.
I've been looking for 1841 but can't find them
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08-10-2014, 11:09 AM #7
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See Janbooth's post
I searched for Sarah Ann Blunson in the 1871 census and she worked as a servant with Mary Neil, so is not from the Whitechapel family.
Thank you Janet for finding that information. I still can't find it on Ancestry
Jeff
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08-10-2014, 11:11 AM #8
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I have 1851 - White House Court, Christ Church. Market Porter.
Daniel Neil
Mary (wife)
children
Dena H 1833 Ireland (this is transcribed wrong but I can't make out if its Daniel H or Denis H)
Mary 1838 Ireland
Census 1861 - Ely Place Whitechapel. Lab. at Docks. Casual.
Daniel Neil
Mary (wife)
Children
Mary 1838 Ireland
William 1851 England
Daniel 1854 England
Census 1871 Halifax St. Stepney. Market Porter.
Daniel Neil
Mary(wife)
Children
Mary
William
Daniel
Census 1881 - Halifax St. Stepney. Wood chopper
Daniel Neil
Mary (wife)
Children
Daniel
I note there is a big difference in the childrens births
Mary 1838 then William 1851 & Daniel 1854
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08-10-2014, 11:15 AM #9
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We must have been writing our posts at the same time. That's not my Mary Neil - please see my post
Jeff
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08-10-2014, 11:40 AM #10
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George Pilney? PATTERSON, on Janet post should be George Tilney Patterson (1838-1925) James Thomas Welch brother -in -Law married to Ruth Welch his sister.
Are you sure it's not your Mary Neil because thats the only one I'm finding on Ancestry with a father's name Daniel Neil as in Janets post
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