Thomas Matthews- and Sarah Cardoza

[Maggieoo]

Was wondering if Caroline Matthews (below) is the daughter of the same William and Margaret (Roy) Matthew, who are the parents of Thomas Hogg Matthews and siblings.

Caroline Matthews Maglio Family Tree
Birth:* 1819 - Scotland
Death:* 13 Nov 1898 - Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey
Parents:* William Matthews,*Margaret Roy
Spouse:* Christopher Read


Caroline Matthews
Birth 1819 in Scotland
Death 13 Nov 1898 in Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey

[Maggieoo]

Name: William Matthew Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Margaret Matthew Gender: Male Where born: North Britain, Dalkeith
[Dalkeith, Scotland]* Civil Parish: St Botolph Aldgate County/Island: Middlesex Country: England

Registration district: East London Sub-registration district: St Botolph Piece: 1524 Folio: 218 Page 1 William Matthew 55 Margaret Matthew 55 Janes Matthew 19 Thomas Matthew 15

1861 RG9 Piece: 211 Folio: 46 Page 2
William Matthews 65 Messenger to British Anniuty born Liverpool Lancashire
Margaret Matthews 55 Carshalton, Surrey
Mary A Isted 26 Niece Carshalton, Surrey


Are William Matthew and Margaret Matthew the same persons in both censuses? Dates match up, but can't make the connection! Place of birth don't seem to match. Dalkeith, Scotland and Liverpool, Lancashire, England.

[Maggieoo]

1851 census
William Matthew Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Head born: North Britain, Dalkeith
Spouse Margaret Matthew born:
Civil Parish: St Botolph Aldgate County/Island: Middlesex Country: England

Registration district: East London Sub-registration district: St Botolph ED
Piece: 1524 Folio: 218 Page Number: 1 Household Members: Name Age William Matthew 55 Margaret Matthew 55 Janes Matthew 19 Thomas Matthew 15

William Matthew married Margaret Roy on Nov. 26, 1816 at Canongate, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. All children were born in Middlesex, England.

1861 census
Name: William Matthews Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: 1796 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Margaret Matthews Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: St Botolph without Bishopsgate County/Island: Middlesex Country: England

Registration district: East London Sub-registration district: St Botolph ED, Piece: 211 Folio: 46 Page Number: 2 William Matthews 65 Margaret Matthews 55 Mary A Isted 26

William Matthew Marriage 14 Feb 1831 Parish: Padiham, Lancashire, England Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Spouse: Margaret Winterbottom Register Type: Parish Register

Are the Margaret and William Matthew the same for the two censuses? or Margaret and William Matthew 1851 census match with marriage William Matthew and Margaret Roy, and Margaret Winterbottom and William Matthew's marriage match with census 1861?
Confused!!
William Matthews Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: 1796 Head born Liverpool,
Spouse Margaret Matthews
England Civil Parish: St Botolph without Bishopsgate County/Island: Middlesex Country: England

Registration district: East London Sub-registration district: St Botolph ED, 10 Piece: 211 Folio: 46 Page Number: 2 William Matthews 65 Margaret Matthews 55 Mary A Isted 26

FHL Film Number -1066681

William Matthew Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year abt 1796 Head born: North Britain, Dalkeith
Spouse - Margaret Matthew
Civil Parish: St Botolph Aldgate County/Island: Middlesex Country: England

Registration district: East London Sub-registration district: St Botolph Piece: 1524 Folio: 218 Page 1
William Matthew 55 Margaret Matthew 55 Janes Matthew 19 Thomas Matthew 15

William Matthews Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: 1796 Head
Spouse Margaret Matthews Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: St Botolph without Bishopsgate County/Island: Middlesex
East London Sub-registration district: St Botolph ED, Piece: 211 Folio: 46 Page Number: 2
William Matthews 65 Margaret Matthews 55 Mary A Isted 26

[christanel]

Hi Christina,
Thank you for info. Was wondering if Caroline Matthews (below) is the daughter of the same William and Margaret (Roy) Matthew, who are the parents of Thomas Hogg Matthews and siblings.

Caroline Matthews Maglio Family Tree
Birth:* 1819 - Scotland
Death:* 13 Nov 1898 - Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey
Parents:* William Matthews,*Margaret Roy
Spouse:* Christopher Read


Caroline Matthews
Birth 1819 in Scotland
Death 13 Nov 1898 in Jersey City, Hudson, New Jersey

I have taken a look at this tree and others and the only evidence they give for Caroline's place of birth is the 1850/60/70/80US censuses. However the 1850 and 1880 say Scotland and the 1850 and 1860 say born England. So a 50/50 chance for her birth place being correct. The marriage they give is actually the calling of the Banns, not the marriage so no indication of father's names or occupations. The marriage is on FreeBMD so that certificate would give Caroline's father and his occupation.

Christina

[christanel]

The big gap between the marriage of William Matthew and Margaret Roy's marriage in 1816 and the only evidence of children born to the marriage in the 1841 census is a worry.

Christina

[christanel]

1861 RG9 Piece: 211 Folio: 46 Page 2

1851
1851 census
H107 1524 218 1
Ladley Hall Court St Boltoph Aldgate
MATTHEW William 55 Traveller Dalkeith Scotland
MATTHEW Margaret 55 Edinburgh
MATTHEW Janet 19 needlewoman London
MATTHEW Thomas 15 ? oil & colourman ? London

1861
William Matthews 65 Messenger to British Anniuty born Liverpool Lancashire
Margaret Matthews 55 Carshalton, Surrey
Mary A Isted 26 Niece Carshalton, Surrey

Are William Matthew and Margaret Matthew the same persons in both censuses? Dates match up, but can't make the connection! Place of birth don't seem to match. Dalkeith, Scotland and Liverpool, Lancashire

No they are not the same couple Here are Margaret and William with neice Mary A Isted in the 1851 census so they can't be yours as we have your William and Margaret with their children.


HO107 piece 1524 folio 351 page 4

William Matthew 45 Writing clerk Liverpool
Margaret 45 Carshalton, Surrey
Mary Isted 16 Surrey
Mary Ann Rundell 48
Charles Piddington 22Robert Stokes 20
36 New Broad Street St Botolphs Bishopgate

I can't find your William and Margaret in the 1861. This could be a death for Margaret but where is William?

Death June 1/4 1854 Margaret Matthew E London vol 1c page 5.
The E London registration district includes all the St Botolph districts.

What is needed is a birth certificate for one of William and Margaret's children born after the June 1/4 1837 so we know for sure that Margaret's maiden name is Roy.

[Maggieoo]

Christanel,
Thanks for all the help! Will keep searching until I find the answer!

[Maggieoo]

William Stewart Drummond Matthew Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 16 Aug 1863 Father's Name: Thomas Matthew Mother's name: Sarah Matthew Parish or Poor Law Union: St Matthias, Bethnal Green Borough: Tower Hamlets Register Type: Parish Registers




Name: William Steward Roy Matthew Registration Year: 1863 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Whitechapel Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: London Volume: 1c Page: 330

Are these two entries the same William Matthew, son of Sarah Cardoza and Thomas Matthew. The reason I ask this is because of the name "Roy" that I think is the maiden name of Thomas Matthews' mother (Margaret Roy?) married to William Matthew Sr 1816 in Edinburgh, Scotland. "William Matthew married to Margaret Matthew" is listed in all of the censuses, and "William Matthew" is listed as father of Thomas Matthew in Thomas and Sarah Matthews' marriage record

[Maggieoo]

Name:
William Mathew
Gender:
Male
Baptism Date:
1 May 1796
Baptism Place:
, Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland
Father:
William Mathew
Mother:
Catharin Malcomb
FHL Film Number:
1066680, 0103016

Name:
William Mathew
Gender:
Male
Birth Date:
2 Oct 1791
Baptism Date:
9 Oct 1791
Baptism Place:
, Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland
Father:
William Mathew
Mother:
Catharin Malcomb
FHL Film Number:
1066680
Reference ID:
2:182XV04

These two entries must be the same William Matthews. Can anyone tell me which year is correct? Thanks. This search is so difficult, even though I have a paid International Search with Ancestry .ca. Also, can anyone help me with the previous inquiry
(The two William Matthews 1863) Are they the same person? Thanks. Maggie

[Megan Roberts]

They do not have to be the same William Matthews.

Have you looked through deaths/ burials? It was quite common for parents who lost a child to give another child the same name.