A lost soul trying to find his family

[geneius]

Baptism
St Matthew Gt Peter St
10 April 1887
Born 29 March 1887
George GRAHAM s/o George Wm & Priscilla shoe black of Holland Street

ALSO found
1) St George Union
Buckingham Palace Road Union Workhouse
24 April 1896
Born 22 April 1896
Alice GRAHAM d/o Williiam & Priscilla parents admitted from St Margarets Parish

2) 1901 Census
RG13 408 Holland Street
William GRAHAM boarder 1856 Westminster, cannot read occupation

3) RG13 94 33
Lewisham St
GRAHAM Caroline b 1839 widow Lambeth
GRAHAM George 17 nephew Westminster
GRAHAM Caroline 14 niece Wetminster
I followed Caroline back to:

1861 RG9 52 79 27
William GRAHAM aged 3 parents appear to be George & Caroline

1871 128 42 12
William is born St John Lee

Looking at other records I came across this

GRAHAM, George
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Regiment:23rd Foot
Place : Lucknow
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1887
Volume : 1313
Page: 68
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

[Col. Gibbon]

Hi geneius.

How did you manage to dream that up?

You seem to have fitted together the info I've had for a while and I could not see a fit. I've seen the Indian Army file before, but I thought the address and DOB were wrong?

And there is the older Caroline. Who is she?

I have a couple of records of two of the girls, which might fit.

1901
The Lead Page says, St Anne's Home, Convalescent Home.
Civil Parish: Herne Bay
Town: Herne Bay
County: Kent

Hannah Graham 12 Inmate [b. N/K. Scholar]

1901
Civil Parish: Westgate on Sea
Town: Westgate on Sea
County: Kent
[Add: Canterbury Parade]

Alice Graham 5 [b. St Margaret Cenenster, London]
[This is a privately owned convalescence house]

and

1911
Civil Parish: Dartford
County: Kent
Street Address: Metropolitan Imbecile Asylum, Darenth Near Dartford
RD: Dartford
Piece: 3792; ED: 32-36

Alice Graham 15 Patient [b. Unknown. Occ: Ward helper]

I'm finding a bit hard to think about my family going through the Workhouse system. Did any of them other than Caroline and George, have a life after the Workhouse?

[geneius]

How did you manage to dream that up?

No idea just small family tree from the 1891 census and 'butterflying' around the infomation hoping it made sense to you and started to fit into place

I too struggled with the workhouse entry and yes found Alice as you have done.

All I can conclude is something happened to the family in the mid 1890's as it seems to have split and not been united. Further invetigation into the Workhouse and St Margarets Parish records may reveal more

https://www.workhouses.org.uk/StGeorges/

Ironically the Secrets of the Workhouse ITV programme was on yesterday afternoon and this pm...quite emotional.... ( it should be on catchuptv.com)

Caroline GRAHAM senior is married to a George GRAHAM I think she was a McCARTHEY and is on the 1861 census

I need to have a look to see if I can find nore baptisms and at least Georeg's marriage to Priscilla!

[Col. Gibbon]

I also have thus on George William Graham, but I'm not sure if this is my George

First name(s): George William
Last name: GRAHAM
Calculated year of birth: 1885
Parish of birth: Westminster, London. Middlesex
Age at attestation: 18 years 9 months
Attestation date: 30 December 1903
Attestation corps: 5TH MIDDLESEX REGIMENT
Attestation soldier number: 239
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps: Duke Of Cambridge's Own (Middlesex Regiment) - 57th & 77th Foot

1911 census.
Person: GRAHAM, George William
Institution: 1st Bn Middlesex Regt, 1ST BATTALION MIDDLESEX REGIMENT, DINAPORE CANTONMENT, INDIA
Military details: Private 1st Middlesex Regt
GRAHAM, George William Single ? 25 1886 Brixton London
RG number: RG14
Piece: 34988
Reference: RG14PN34988 RD641 SD13 ED19 SN9999
Registration District:
Sub District:
Enumeration District: 19
Parish:
Address: Dinapool Cantonment
County: Overseas military

Does this fit too?

[Col. Gibbon]

Brilliant geneius!

So now I have three soldiers of note in my family, and probably more.

I knwq my Grandfather was In WWI and I even used to play with his medals, but they are all long lost, My dad's are also lost. I know nothing for sure about him in WWII.

[geneius]

Caroline GRAHAM senior is married to a George GRAHAM I think she was a McCARTHEY and is on the 1861 census

I go this bit wrong revisiting the census I now realise that she is not connrcted with the family however this is what I have now come up with

Thomas Stuart GRAHAM married Esther b 1809 Dudley Worcs
issue
Hannah b 24/08/1833 bp 09/04/1838 St Martin Birmingham
Esther b 17/09/1836 bp 09/04/1838 St Martin Birmingham

George b 24/06/1839 bp 01/09/1839 St Pancras
Stuart Thomas b 09/12/1841 bp 20/02/1842 St Marylebone
died 1900 Wandsworth

George ( 1839 ) married Caroline
issue
William 1858 Westminster
Esther & Georgina b 1890 died 1891
Caroline b 1863
Rose Esther H b 1870 Hannah b 1875 Alice b 1878

I can see no marriage or baptisms
Census refs
RG9 52 79 2
RG10 128 42 12
RG11 112 22 31

I mow think the children George & Caroline desc a nephew & Niece are actually grandchildren

There is a death of

Name:

Thomas Stuart Lever Graham
Death Date 1860
Westminster St. Ma,

[geneius]

So now I have three soldiers of note in my family, and probably more

and you never know what else may turn up!!

[Col. Gibbon]

Hi geneius.

I can't find Georgina Birth, but I found this:
Marriages Dec 1883
GRAHAM Georgina St Geo H Sq 1a 826

But I did find poor Esther

Esther Graham

Birth Sept 1860
Westminster, London
Westminster 1a 278

Death June 1861 Age: 1
Westminster, London
Westminster 1a 208

[geneius]

#18

Marriage entry to GILLMAN Joseph

7 October 1883

Georgina GRAHAM 21 sp Tufton Stfather George GRAHAM traveller

Witness Mary Ann TWENTY and possibly another ....TWENTY'


I had assumed as neither twin appeared with the family in 1871 they had both died...seem to think I saw Lizzie Ruth Georgins Graham???

Off out for a few hours

Jean

[janbooth]

John,

George William's parish register birth/baptismal record is on Findmypast in the year 1887 and the occupation of his father (although shown as George William) fits with the 1891 census record in post 4. However, there is also a George William GRAHAM who is in the Army as there is another baptism on FMP of a Caroline Rose GRAHAM born also in 1887 at the same church to this George William GRAHAM with the same mother's forename. Confused - I am but cannot give any more details as it is a pay per view site and you will have to take out a subscription to see full details. Hannah Matilda's baptism in 1899 is also there.

Janet