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  1. #21
    mrsandrea
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    Red face ONLINE HISTORICAL DIRECTORIES

    Found online Historical Directories. My Aschers/Cohens are buried in Washington Cemetery, Brooklyn NY. We have a freebee site: https://
    findagrave.com and I have lots of photos. ALSO I found the most wonderful site as referenced here in this thread of Historical Directories.
    https://www.historicaldirectories.org/

    Andrea in Sunny California

    Quote Originally Posted by phillip View Post
    Further data related to #1
    Abraham Cohen Confectioner appears in the Birmingham Trade Directories: 1845 PO Directory 80 New St and 45 Dudley Street and 14 Low Temple St. In 1850 White's Directory Warwick Abraham Cohen confectioner 23 Lower Temple St. In 1843 PO Directory London there is a Jacob Cohen confectioner 86 St John's Clerkenwell.Abraham Cohen confectioner appears in 1841 14 Temple St Pigot's Directory of Birmingham; 1849 PO Directory 9 Small Brook St.
    He also appears in 1851 Census HO107 2055 165 3( Crown Copyright,TNA)
    9 Small Brook St Birmingham- Abraham Cohen H M 42 Confectioner b Middx London;Hannah wife 44 b Middx London;Enoch son u18 at home b Middx London; Benjamin son 13 scholar b Middx London;Joseph son 11 b Birmingham; Julia Olsher? niece 12 shop assistant b Middx London
    I assume Julia is an Asher.
    Phillip
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    Firstly many thanks Philip, whilst the Cohens are beginning to look like a never ending story, my own thing so to speak is Dove... which is great news as to the Ashers lets see .. As I mentioned when Morris Asher Davids son married Abigail Hart he married into (on the maternal line) The Toledanos via her Great Grandmother Hanna who came from Gibraltar in 1780 and married into the Nunes Martines family..

    Why I got started was I seriously ill and as I was recovering My daughter announced she would be getting married..... This made me think it was about time I sorted out who we were.. on her mothers side Rabbis from Fez .. But for me I was English for 300 years however my grandmother had always gone on about our Portuguese Ancestry... but she kept saying it was through the Asher line.. so when I found out about the Toledano, Nunes Martines.. I thought she had got it wrong... whereas you have shown things are not as simple as one would like.. and even more coincidental it looks like the Toledanos may have resided in Morocco
    Toledani, Nunes Martines, Hart, Asher

    So again thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by phillip View Post
    Kevin
    I can only go by what I have seen on the various Ancestry Com family trees plus Jewish roots family tree site. From what I can make out Dove is the mother of Sarah plus others. You will need to check the data yourself for accuracy because I have no access to Bevis Marks records. This is a summary:
    Moses Cohen 29 March 1784-1832 m Dove (Deborah) Paloma de Isaac Nunes Martinez 1788-1876 - see FreeBMD to check records). They were married Bevis Marks 16 March 1806. Her parents David Martin ( Nunez Martinez) and Sarah Vitta
    Dove then married Abraham Ottelenyngui ( the surname spelling in records varies considerably)
    Dove married Abraham 28 March 1847 -24 Tenter St- see Free BMD marriages April qtr 1847 London 2 184b

    The 1851 Census ( HO107 1543 666 21 Crown Copyright,TNA) has Abraham Ottolengue M 53 no occup b Whitechapel; Deborah Ottolengue wife 63 b Whitechapel- 9 Tilley St Spitalfields
    1861 They are both in the Portuguese Hospital for Jews and Deborah remains there in 1871
    1861 RG9 299 122 25 ( Crown Copyright,TNA) Portuguese Hospital for Jews - Deborah Ottelengui Inmate 75 b Leman St; Abraham Ottelengui 69 b Holland
    Nb Note the discrepancy in where Abraham is born- Whitechapel 1851; 1861 Holland
    Abraham dies April qtr age 77 1866 London 1c 443
    1871 Census RG10 565 122 15 ( Crown Copyright,TNA) Portuguese Jews Hospital Mile End Rd-Deborah Ottelengue widow 86 Inmate + a Hannah Martin inmate W 52 among
    many others

    That's as much as I can summarise and you might now want to 'dig deeper' on relationships. Hope it helps.
    Phillip

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    Dove must have been something... along the lines of Shakespears Dark Lady

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    Kevin
    Are you the same person who posted under" An English Jewish Family Search for their roots" 15 Nov 2010? In the post reference was made to Abigail Mendoza's father being Aaron b Amsterdam 1709 and arriving in England circa 1730- her line being traced back to Franciscus de la Penta 1550 and Bianca Ferdandes. Reference was also made to Lily Hart and Dinah Bittan and Meir Hart abt 1770.
    If this is your post you might want to add data on the lines via this site.
    Phillip

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    Hi Phillip,

    I have only just started posting to this site, and genealogy for me is a very recent thing... the Abigail stuff below is very interesting.. originally I was just going back mother daughter mother daughter keeping it very narrow,, its only now I branching out.
    what makes it interesting is when a name develops into a person whom you think you could talk to..

    meanwhile thanks for your efforts

    Rgds Kevin

    Quote Originally Posted by phillip View Post
    Kevin
    Are you the same person who posted under" An English Jewish Family Search for their roots" 15 Nov 2010? In the post reference was made to Abigail Mendoza's father being Aaron b Amsterdam 1709 and arriving in England circa 1730- her line being traced back to Franciscus de la Penta 1550 and Bianca Ferdandes. Reference was also made to Lily Hart and Dinah Bittan and Meir Hart abt 1770.
    If this is your post you might want to add data on the lines via this site.
    Phillip

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    Thanks Kevin,

    I have actually found out lots more info since I 1st made this post but naughty me never thought to update here. I have come across other relatives decended both from Asher and from the Nunez Martinez sides that have helped me to fill in gaps and me theirs. Abraham Cohen was actaully the Uncle & Brother In-Law of my Abigail A'Cohen Asher. He was married to her sister Hannah. Their other sister was Sarah who married David Asher. Other sisters Welcome & Deborah & brothers Enoch, Isaac & David. Moses Hanoj A'Cohen their father was dead by the time Abigail remarries so Abraham steps into the breach. My Abigail also had a child with her Asher Julia. Despite having her marraige certificate to Solomon Jacob Hamburger they married in Wrottesley St Synagogue Birmingham which at that time was only open from 1853-1856 they broke away saying the existing synagogue was too money driven & too englische. The founders Isaac Blanckensee & H T Louis are the witnesses to the marriage but it still in totally un-Jewish form doesn't show Julia's father's name. He is certainly a most hidden person and my nemesis. Unless someone else I haven't met yet has any hidden family documentation somewhere I am at a loss to think how to find the 1st name of this Asher. But I think he is most likely David's brother. If his father was Myer Meir Asher then his mother was Judith Abrahams her will mentions some of their sons by name daughters just as daughters (of which I have only found the name of 1 Julia who marries Lewis Alexander) so David could by date be their son (also my missing Asher) but I can find no evidence to corroborate. The Synagogue scribes have looked extensively for me and they have no more. Incidentally Judith's sister (Sarah Sally Sheba) marries Myers brother (Solomon) the day after in Aug 1797. Solomon has the business next door to Judith (both Taylors) for all of Judith's life (dies Aug 1818) Myer is already dead by this time as she is widow but synagogue scribes can find no death for Myer. They don't live long David dies at 56 of TB. On the 1851 cencus Abigail,new husband Richard & daughters Mary Ann & Deborah (my great great grandmother) are living with Moses Ottolengui who is the brother of Abraham de Israel Ottolengui who Abigail's mother (my ggg grandmom) Deborah Dove Nunez Martinez marries in 1847 at the Tenter Street address under the ausipices of Bevis Marks.

    So as you can see as I say I have pretty much unravelled everything bar the given name of Abigail's 1st Asher husband - utterley frustrating as I can't think of anywhere else it cold be noted now other than on someone's private documentation if it's not even on his daughters marriage certificate. So if you come cross any new Asher's, his daughter Julia was born 18 Apr 1837, but he's dead by the 1841 census, I would be very grateful. In my own mind I think his name was Moses as Abigail calls her son Moses Asher + his father's surname Rentell. And scribes that she is Abigail Rentell previously Asher originally Cohen on his birth cert which I find quite an odd detail to include on a birth cert. But sadly my own congecture.

    Best Wishes

    Lisa

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    PS Kevin,

    I have a documnet created by Brian Whipp that gives in great detail the Nunez Martinez line that goes back a long way and a little A'Cohen if you send me a private message with your email address in I will send you a copy.

    Thanks

    Lisa

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    They were married in Birmingham I think because Sarah's father Moses Hanoj A'Cohen is dead, her elder sister Hannah is married to Abraham Cohen the confectioner living in Birmingham so he would be the natural choice to arrange the synagogue for them. If I have the right father for David Myer Meir Asher, his father was also long dead. Birmingham was a free boom town at the time and had a good jewish community to boot so there was lots of ingress to Birmingham for work at that time (all of my family, mothers & fathers side's, in every direction all arrived in Birmingham at that time). David is listed as working for Abraham at the time of the marriage. When David & Sarah return to Birmingham & have 2 of their children there it is when Abraham dies in 1852 so presumably David returns to sort out the business for his sister in law.

    I haven't come across Teresa Ascher & Simon Cohen yet but I will post if I do.

    Best Regards

    Lisa

    Quote Originally Posted by kevininlondon View Post
    the Sarah (Abigail s daughter) you mention aged 11 was my great grandmother.. her brothers were Joseph, Abraham (Pincus) and Michael (Myer)who actually appear on The Jewish Free School records plus a much younger sister called Rachel..

    Would still love to know why Birmingham.... and David Ashers Father.. who was he, and by chance the couple who got married in Birmingham in 1868 were they related to our Ashers and Cohens

    again many thanks Philip

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    Hello Everyone, Lisa where did you find The Jewish Free School records. I would love to look at the images of the Birmmingham Hebrew Congregation. Found some images at: https://www.search.connectinghistorie...0&resource=705

    Reading up on Birmingham Jewry at Googlebooks
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    books.google.com

    NEWS: My great, great grandfather: Michael Jacob Ascher's tombstone reads: Ha'Cohen. If anyone wants to see images of my Aschers/Cohens email me at: mrsandrea AT mac DOT com Hot dogs are cooking and schelpp my daughter to violin class. Hugs Andrea
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    yet another reply for Lisa

    been rereading the stuff totally blown away

    The comment about the synagogue being tooo english... normally applies to Sephardi Synagogues... they integrated very quickly and easily.. whereas the Ashkenazim newcomers like their traditions by the end of the 19th Century it got really bad...as the Russians and Polish poured into London and wanted their small Shauls and very different clothes. Its good to recall that it was the German Jews and Sephardi who created the Reform movement... the Sephardi did not want to be different... maybe thats how they survived over the centurys.

    Would still love to know who was the first Asher here and where was he from... ah and before I forget are our hacohens/acohens Sephardi... out of interest ha cohen just means The Cohen

    kevin

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