I was at the British Library today and looked at The Royal Army Chaplains’ Department, 1796-1953: clergy under fire.
Unfortunately there was no mention of William Allen. Anybody have any knowledge of where I might find Guernsey records as it occurs to me that perhaps some of his children were born there?
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21-11-2011, 9:07 PM #11rogtutGuest
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21-11-2011, 10:07 PM #12
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The Priaulx Library in St Peter Port is the main place for original Guernsey records, so you might want to look at their site.
https://
priaulxlibrary.co.uk/index.asp
There's also the Guernsey Society and its wiki site Donkipedia
www.
guernsey-society.org.uk
There are a few secondary sources in the Society of Genealogists' library in London.
www.
sog.org.uk/prc/channelislands.shtml
Would you like this thread moved to the Channel Islands forum, in case someone there can help? We could move it back for you later, if required.
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22-11-2011, 8:51 AM #13rogtutGuest
Thanks for the info, Kerrywood and yes please move this thread to CI forum.
Roger
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22-11-2011, 11:04 AM #14
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Moved for you.
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22-11-2011, 12:57 PM #15malcolm99Guest
In 1820/21 William Allen was chaplain with the 93rd Regiment of Foot. His “Rank in the Army” is given as 30 June 1795.
See page 596 of War Office, “A List of the Officers of the Army and Royal Marines on full and half-pay....1821”
https://
tinyurl.com/879583o
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22-11-2011, 2:00 PM #16CoromandelGuest
That's a really interesting book, malcolm99; well done for finding it.
This must be the same William Allen whose appointment was announced in the London Gazette in 1795. As the page is headed 'ENGLISH HALF-PAY' I presume he has retired. Unfortunately there's no date in the column headed 'When placed on half pay'. The regiment he was in appears to have been disbanded in 1796 only a year after he'd joined it:
https://www.
napoleon-series.org/military/organization/Britain/Infantry/Regiments/c_93rdFoot.html
So does that mean that he only served a year but was still getting paid 25 years later, albeit half pay?
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22-11-2011, 2:59 PM #17malcolm99Guest
Ah... I rather thought it was this lot whom Wemyss raised again after the 1799 abandonment (Wemyss was still the Lt-Col in 1821):
https://en.
wikipedia.org/wiki/93rd_%28Sutherland_Highlanders%29_Regiment_of_Foot .
I had a look through The Historical Records of the 93rd Sutherland Highlanders this but couldn’t see Allen mentioned, but on page 53 it shows that in 1820/21 the regiment was in southern Ireland .
https://www.
archive.org/stream/historicalrecor00unkngoog#page/n11/mode/2up
They were a very religious regiment apparently and interestingly, according to the “Early years” paragraph in the Wikipedia article they were sent from Scotland to Guernsey in 1800 although I haven’t seen any other mention of Guernsey.
P.S. When I called them 'this lot' I meant no disrespect as they are one of the most distinguished regiments there's ever been - the original "Thin Red Line" I believe...
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22-11-2011, 3:20 PM #18CoromandelGuest
That does make more sense, Malcolm.
I guess the Army List (on the open shelves at Kew) should reveal when William Allen moved from the full pay to the half pay list and so give some idea of how long he was serving. Then by tracking the movements of the regiment over that period you could get some idea of where he is likely to have been, and where his children might have been born.
Going back to the TNA leaflet I mentioned above somewhere, it has some useful background info about half-pay:
Officers were not entitled to a pension as of right until 1871. Before then, officers wishing to retire sold their commissions or went on half pay. Half pay became a retaining fee paid to the officer, so long as he held a commission and was still (in theory) available for future service. There is little genealogical information in these documents. Officers on half pay can be traced in the British Army Lists, which gives date of commencement of half pay: half-pay officers are not always indexed.
Information about retired officers and their widows can also be found in PMG 3 to PMG 14. The most useful records of half pay are the ledgers of payment, 1737-1921, in PMG 4. These give details of death or sale of commission; and, from 1837, addresses....
Hmm, I think you might need a few days up at Kew, rogtut!
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22-11-2011, 6:17 PM #19rogtutGuest
Rev'd William Allen
Malcolm
Just wanted to echo Coromandel's sentiment
"That's a really interesting book, malcolm99; well done for finding it"
We're getting there!
Roger J Tutton
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22-11-2011, 7:09 PM #20Colin RowledgeGuest
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