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    Quote Originally Posted by loobylou View Post
    Check to see if your local library has access to ancestry, many of them do. Then you could try before you buy!
    That's a good idea. Ancestry also usually offer a two week trial. However, if you do sign up for a trial, since they insist on your credit/debit card details, if you decide not to go with them then make sure you cancel before the end of the trial period, or they will automatically assume you wish to remain with them and they will take a payment from your card.

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    The census data for you.

    1871: RG10; Piece: 1127; Folio: 52; Page: 18
    Chancey Court, Portsea, Portsmouth
    PERRING, William, head, 26, labourer, Castle Cary
    PERRING, Charlotte, wife, 26, Castle Cary
    PERRING, Eli, son, 7, ?
    PERRING, Ellen, dau, 3, Aldershot
    PERRING, Emily, dau, 1, Landford, Hampshire

    1881: RG11; Piece: 4469; Folio: 20; Page: 13
    15 Well Heads, Thornton, Yorkshire
    THOMAS, William, head, 32, general laborer, Castlecary Somerset
    Charlotta, wife, 35, Castlecary Somerset
    Ellen, dau, 14, Portsmouth Hampshire
    Emily, dau, 11, Portsmouth Hampshire
    Rose Ann, dau, 9, Portsmouth Hampshire
    William, son, 7, Portsmouth Hampshire
    Charlie, son, 5, Huddersfield Yorkshire
    John, son, 1, Denholme Yorkshire
    WHITAKER, Frank, lodger, 35, stone miner
    SMITH, Henry, lodger, 30, stone miner

    Note: although the surname is recorded as THOMAS, I reckon PERRING was missed off for some reason and William's middle name Thomas was recorded as the surname by mistake. The parents and children appear to more or less match with the 1871 and 1891 census, apart from the variation in the age of the parents that is.

    1891: Piece: 3551 Folio: 62 Page: 6
    Wood Hut, Diggle Bridge, Saddleworth, Diggle, Yorkshire
    PERRING, Wm, head, 39, general labourer, Somersetshire
    PERRING, Charlotte, wife, 40, Somersetshire
    PERRING, Rose, dau, 19, Portsmouth
    PERRING, Charles, son, 18, general labourer, Slaithwaite Yorkshire
    PERRING, John, son, 11, Denham Yorkshire
    PERRING, Polly, dau, 9, Smeeton Yorkshire
    PERRING, Louisa, dau, 3, Preston Lancashire

    (Census crown copyright, care of the TNA)

    Also, as a possible marriage for the parents, FreeBMD has this...

    Marriages Jun 1869 Portsea 2b 767
    Abraham Richard
    COLLINS Mary Amelia C
    LINTREN Charlotte
    PERRING William

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    Marriages Apr - Jun 1869, Portsea Island, Hampshire, 2b/767.

    William Perring, also indexed Charlotte LINTREN [sic]

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    There are these PERRING entries on the New Zealand BDM.

    Death
    1907/9823 Perring Charlotte 60Y

    Death
    1923/2977 Perring William 70Y

    Marriage
    1912/3199 William Perring to Elizabeth Ann Cox

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    1908/4449 Louisa Perring to Charles Bertie Fittes

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    1914/1544 Eliza Mary Perring to Henry Harley

    One of the trees on Ancestry notes a divorce (for adultery) between Charles Bertie Fittes and Louisa on 26 July 1932 at Wellington.

    They could be your PERRING's but as they are just names in an index, you would need the certificates or information from other sources to verify them as yours.

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    Hi ollie, I can not thank you enough for this information,i will have my head in this pc for a while looking.
    regards hank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hank View Post
    his sister rose to albert lawton at saddleworth 1892.
    Hank, I've been meaning to ask about this. Looking at marriage in the index...

    Marriages Mar 1892 Saddleworth 9a 380
    Checkley Samuel
    HOLT Maria Ann
    Lawton Albert
    Perring Rose

    How certain are you that Rose married Albert Lawton rather than Samuel Checkley. It's just I've had no luck so far finding an Albert and Rose in the census (although they could have emigrated as you suspect.) However, I did come across a Rose CHECKLEY in the 1901 census born abt 1872 in Portsmouth, married with children, although the husband was not present.

    Edit: I just went onto the Lancashire BMD site and choosing one of the names of the children from the 1901 census, Samuel Checkley born abt 1894 in Lancashire, it seems his mum's maiden name is PERRING.

    This is the entry from the Lancashire BMD

    Birth 1893
    CHECKLEY Samuel Uppermill, Saddleworth Oldham PERRING

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    Quote Originally Posted by olliecat View Post
    Hank, I've been meaning to ask about this. Looking at marriage in the index...

    Marriages Mar 1892 Saddleworth 9a 380
    Checkley Samuel
    HOLT Maria Ann
    Lawton Albert
    Perring Rose
    I'm being dim as it has only just clicked that Saddleworth is on the Lancashire/Yorkshire border. The marriage is on the Lancashire BMD site. Rose Perring did marry Samuel Checkley

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    Hi again ollie, i had that entry and thought they were in pairs from top to bottom although on that entry there was a rees perring which i think was transcribed wrongly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hank View Post
    Hi again ollie, i had that entry and thought they were in pairs from top to bottom although on that entry there was a rees perring which i think was transcribed wrongly.
    Oh, I do wish it were in pair order; that would make life easier. However, just to make it difficult for us, the people are listed in no particular order. In fact, it is not possible for sites such as FreeBMD to know who married whom, but the reason for this would take some time to explain. I can find something that explains this if you wish to know more.

    So, when faced with a list of four or more potential spouses, we often have to employ other means to find out who married whom within that list, such as buying the certificate, finding the entry in a parish marriage register, looking in the census, or searching elsewhere (i.e the Lancashire BMD.)

    In a nutshell. with respect to marriages listed in the GRO indexes, before 1912 you don't know who married whom from the list of potential spouses. From March 1912, you do know who the spouse is since the surname of the spouse is stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olliecat View Post
    I did come across a Rose CHECKLEY in the 1901 census born abt 1872 in Portsmouth, married with children, although the husband was not present.
    So you can see too.

    1901: Piece: 3297 Folio: 135 Page: 45 cCrown copyright, care of the TNA)
    6 Rosebery Street, Stockport, Cheshire
    CHECKLEY, Rose, head, married, 29, Portsmouth
    CHECKLEY, Jane, dua, 17, Card Board Box Maker Batsley Nr Cardiff Gamorganshire
    CHECKLEY, Samual, son, 7 Heggle?? Lancashire
    CHECKLEY, William, son, 6, Heggle?? Lancashire
    CHECKLEY, Susie M, dua, 4 Greenfield Lancashire
    CHECKLEY, Herbert, son, 2 Greenfield Lancashire
    CHECKLEY, Florence, son, 11 mos, Greenfield Lancashire
    TURNER, Philip, boarder, 35, labourer on rail road, Fairfourt Cheshire

    NOTE: I imagine Jane CHECKLEY is Samuel's daughter by a previous marriage, although this would have to be checked.

    I haven't found Rose and her family in the 1911 census yet but I must nip off for a while. Perhaps someone else can find them in the meantime.

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