I’ve just discovered that a gg..grandfather, John Jacques, Rector of Cowley, wrote a book in 1707.
However, I don't understand what the title means. It is:
Ordination by Meer Presbyters proved Void and Null, in a Conference between Philalethes a Presbyter of the Church of England, and Pseudocheus a Dissenting Teacher
It's obviously to do with politics within the church at that time, but I've no idea what. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Thank you.
Susan
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02-07-2005, 9:51 PM #1susan-wGuest
Presbyters, Philalethes and Pseudocheus - please don't let the title put you off!
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03-07-2005, 1:44 PM #2AnnBGuest
Hello Susan
Sounds like rivetting bedtime reading..... I am afraid I can't even begin to imagine what it is about (and frankly, don't really want to!) but if you put each of the 'p' words into Google except with meer presbyters, then you need to put in both words), you'll get some hits which should help you. If you ever fathom out what it is about, I would be interested to know (I think )
Best wishes
Ann
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03-07-2005, 11:13 PM #3
Hello Susan,
I must admit I was hoping someone else would have a go at this but since they haven't (yet anyway) here are my thoughts -
It looks to me like a discussion on the Apostolic Succession - still sadly a bone of contention between non-conformists and the established church.
The idea is that clergy are ordained by the laying on of hands through a line of bishops that can be traced continuously back to the first apostles. When the Protestant Churches broke away from the Roman Church this line was deemed to have been broken because their clergy were not ordained by bishops in the succession but by "mere presbyters" i.e. ordinary clergymen like themselves. The Church of England is an exception.
Sadly this is still a live issue - Anglican / Methodist Union collapsed on this very point in the 1970s. One day God will knock all our heads together in despair but until then we go on being human beings with all our human silliness.
Mary.
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04-07-2005, 9:30 PM #4susan-wGuest
Thank you very much for your help.
Ann, I’d already tried Google (always my first port of call!), but was totally confused by hundreds of hits. Amazingly, I’ve now managed to find a copy of the book. As you suspect, it’s just the thing for insomniacs.
Mary, thank you for your thoughts - you were right. Thanks to the local library, I’ve discovered that Uxbridge was a hotbed of dissenters. JJ was a supporter of the established church, and he argued that these dissenters were “in a most Dangerous and Deplorable Condition”. He believed that “their Conventicles to be no more a Church, than any Number of Merchants that are met together upon the Royal Exchange.” Phew!
I now remember the Apostolic Succession debate from my convent primary school (although I’m C of E). The nuns there insisted that the Church of England wasn’t an exception at all, as you mention, but had broken the Apostolic Succession...
As you say, a long-lasting debate. Thank you.
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04-07-2005, 10:58 PM #5Originally Posted by susan-w
Originally Posted by susan-w
Mary.Last edited by mary elms; 04-07-2005 at 11:05 PM.
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05-07-2005, 2:03 PM #6AnnBGuest
I see there is a copy of the said book, for sale at the Abebooks site I don't think I'm going to start a mad rush to buy it - especially at a mere £110
Best wishes
AnnLast edited by Guest; 11-10-2007 at 12:57 PM.
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10-07-2005, 10:12 PM #7susan-wGuest
Sorry to be so late in my reply. I hadn’t had time to retrieve the links below until the weekend.
Mary,
I have a reader’s ticket at the British Library, which is obviously the place to go for old books.
There are some other sources, though, that may be accessible at other libraries. These include:
The Nineteenth Century Collection, indexed at https://c19.chadwyck.co.uk/. You have to go to a subscribing library to see the microfilm, though.
Also Thompson & Gale, https://www.gale.com/, which have an eighteenth century collection, with the books actually online. However, this is only available through subscribing libraries, except in the free-access week every year.
I’ve found Making of America, https://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/, useful for some journals, and also https://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/ilej/ for a limited range.
Ann,
I think that book’s by another author, but on the same riveting subject . I certainly won’t be owning a copy! Give me the library any day...
Sorry for the delayed reply, and thank you for all your help.
Susan
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11-07-2005, 8:12 AM #8AnnBGuestOriginally Posted by susan-w
Best wishes
Ann
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11-07-2005, 9:57 AM #9
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