Thomas Webster the I,II III,and the IV

[wenfri]

Can't find a thing about these dudes. ( I mean in the way of proof)


I will give you a break down first ok for what I have gotten 2nd hand of course. Now I need to prove the facts

Thomas IV Webster
Birth 05 JUL 1868 in New Park, Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland
Death 21 AUG 1903 in Clinton, Ontario

Married: Date 21 JUN 1899 to Thomas IV Webster

]Margaret Victoria Dempsey
Birth 06 DEC 1878
Death 23 FEB 1928 in Clinton, Ontario

Thomas III Webster
Birth 1839 in Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland
Death 03 APR 1912 in Lucknow, Ontario, Canada

Married Susanna Cooke Dec 3,1863
Birth 1841
Death 15 OCT 1922

Thomas II Webster
Birth 1790 in Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland
Death 1872 in Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland


Married: Susanna Cooke Dec 3,1863
Birth 1841
Death 15 OCT 1922

Thomas II Webster
Birth 1790 in Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland
Death 1872 in Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland


Married: Mary Cooper 1820
Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland


No Birth
No death


Have no idea when they immigrated to Ontario Canada. Even having problems locatinig Census for them Been trying hard without success.

Wendy

[Sandyhall]

Tithe Applotment Books. National Archives of Ireland.
Name: Thos Webster
Residence: 1826 - Kilcooly Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland


and
General Valuation of Ireland. Dublin, Ireland: Irish Microforms Ltd., 1978. National Archives, Dublin and Public Record Office, Belfast.
Name: Thomas Webster
Residence: 1853 - Blackcommon, Ballingarry, Tipperary, Ireland


and another
Name: Thomas Webster
Residence: 1853 - Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland

not much help maybe......

[Sandyhall]

Other Webster Names in Tipperary Ireland, Taken from Griffith’s Valuation, 1848-1864


Catherine Webster Common Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary
Daniel Webster John Connolly Bolintlea, Ballingarry, Tipperary
James Webster Edward Cooke Esquire Bolintlea, Ballingarry, Tipperary
James Webster Common Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary
John Webster Mary Butler Kyleballygalvan, Ballingarry, Tipperary
John Webster Senior Common Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary
John Webster Esquire MD Common Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary
Thomas Webster Common Blackcommon, Ballingarry, Tipperary
Thomas Webster Common Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary


Possible family members

[wenfri]

Thanks Sandy

But for the sake of sounding obtuse

How do know if they are related or not?? If they are living in different houses??

And how on earth do i find out when they immigrated and who came with them.
Wendy

[Mutley]

The normal route is to find the records, birth or baptisms give parents, marriage gives a father etc.
Once you have more than one family member established it is easier to tie them down in a census.

Do you think that they would have been in Ireland for the 1901 and 1911 census?
Were marriages in Ireland or in Canada?
Did the couples have children?

You do have full dates so where were these dates found?

Have you tried searching
https://
ifhf.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?page=0&prevStartQuery=0
It is free to search and pay to view and you can download certificates.

[wenfri]

Thomas IV Webster
Married in Goderich , Ontario

Thomas III Webster
Married in Kilcooly, Ireland


Thomas II Webster
Married in Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland

Thomas I Webster
No idea where or when Assuming in Ireland but no date

You do have full dates so where were these dates found?

They were taken from Thomas Webster I Family Tree
from a George Webster. His information was taken from a hand written book so the dates could be all wrong.

I have Thomas III living in Huron West, Ontario, Canada on the 1891 Census, 1901 and the 1911 Census

Thomas IV was married in Goderich and is on 1901 and 1911 Census for Ontario

The others were in Ireland

By the names George supplied They had loads of siblings, and the siblings had alot too. Regular rabbit warren they got going there.

Still attempting prove dates with proof they are right.

Working between 2 seperate Webster Family trees and going hoppy

Wendy

[ehanley]

Is the Thomas (the 1st) you are searching for the Thomas who left Wigan (Lancs) about 1750 to 1780 to help start the coal mining industry in Tipperary. he went with other family members and had several children. two of them were Mary louise Webster b. about 1775 who married william Cantelon(De Cantillon) and later went to Canada. and Daniel Webster b. about 1798.He married Susan Pearson and they went to Canada also about 1830 with three children James robert and Thomas. They subsequently had at least six further children in Canada.

"Thomas the first" may in fact have been the first of the Websters in Tipperary
The coal mine continued until as recently as the 1950s
the 1901 and 1911 Census shows about nine Webster families all in and arround Kilcooly,the Common, Ballingary etc and its significant that many of them were coal miners all quite possibly descendants of Thomas and his brothers
Hope this helps please post if it does