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    Default Thomas Webster the I,II III,and the IV

    Can't find a thing about these dudes. ( I mean in the way of proof)


    I will give you a break down first ok for what I have gotten 2nd hand of course. Now I need to prove the facts

    Thomas IV Webster
    Birth 05 JUL 1868 in New Park, Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland
    Death 21 AUG 1903 in Clinton, Ontario

    Married: Date 21 JUN 1899 to Thomas IV Webster

    ]Margaret Victoria Dempsey
    Birth 06 DEC 1878
    Death 23 FEB 1928 in Clinton, Ontario

    Thomas III Webster
    Birth 1839 in Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland
    Death 03 APR 1912 in Lucknow, Ontario, Canada

    Married Susanna Cooke Dec 3,1863
    Birth 1841
    Death 15 OCT 1922

    Thomas II Webster
    Birth 1790 in Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland
    Death 1872 in Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland


    Married: Susanna Cooke Dec 3,1863
    Birth 1841
    Death 15 OCT 1922

    Thomas II Webster
    Birth 1790 in Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland
    Death 1872 in Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland


    Married: Mary Cooper 1820
    Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland


    No Birth
    No death


    Have no idea when they immigrated to Ontario Canada. Even having problems locatinig Census for them Been trying hard without success.

    Wendy

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    Tithe Applotment Books. National Archives of Ireland.
    Name: Thos Webster
    Residence: 1826 - Kilcooly Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland


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    General Valuation of Ireland. Dublin, Ireland: Irish Microforms Ltd., 1978. National Archives, Dublin and Public Record Office, Belfast.
    Name: Thomas Webster
    Residence: 1853 - Blackcommon, Ballingarry, Tipperary, Ireland


    and another
    Name: Thomas Webster
    Residence: 1853 - Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland

    not much help maybe......

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    Other Webster Names in Tipperary Ireland, Taken from Griffith’s Valuation, 1848-1864


    Catherine Webster Common Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary
    Daniel Webster John Connolly Bolintlea, Ballingarry, Tipperary
    James Webster Edward Cooke Esquire Bolintlea, Ballingarry, Tipperary
    James Webster Common Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary
    John Webster Mary Butler Kyleballygalvan, Ballingarry, Tipperary
    John Webster Senior Common Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary
    John Webster Esquire MD Common Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary
    Thomas Webster Common Blackcommon, Ballingarry, Tipperary
    Thomas Webster Common Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Tipperary


    Possible family members

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    Thanks Sandy

    But for the sake of sounding obtuse

    How do know if they are related or not?? If they are living in different houses??

    And how on earth do i find out when they immigrated and who came with them.
    Wendy

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    The normal route is to find the records, birth or baptisms give parents, marriage gives a father etc.
    Once you have more than one family member established it is easier to tie them down in a census.

    Do you think that they would have been in Ireland for the 1901 and 1911 census?
    Were marriages in Ireland or in Canada?
    Did the couples have children?

    You do have full dates so where were these dates found?

    Have you tried searching
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    ifhf.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?page=0&prevStartQuery=0
    It is free to search and pay to view and you can download certificates.

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    Thomas IV Webster
    Married in Goderich , Ontario

    Thomas III Webster
    Married in Kilcooly, Ireland


    Thomas II Webster
    Married in Commons, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland

    Thomas I Webster
    No idea where or when Assuming in Ireland but no date

    You do have full dates so where were these dates found?
    They were taken from Thomas Webster I Family Tree
    from a George Webster. His information was taken from a hand written book so the dates could be all wrong.

    I have Thomas III living in Huron West, Ontario, Canada on the 1891 Census, 1901 and the 1911 Census

    Thomas IV was married in Goderich and is on 1901 and 1911 Census for Ontario

    The others were in Ireland

    By the names George supplied They had loads of siblings, and the siblings had alot too. Regular rabbit warren they got going there.

    Still attempting prove dates with proof they are right.

    Working between 2 seperate Webster Family trees and going hoppy

    Wendy

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    Taken from the IGI

    THOMAS WEBSTER
    Birth: 05 JUL 1866 0699, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland
    Father: THOMAS WEBSTER
    Mother: SUSAN COOKE

    Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
    Batch No: C701294

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    THOMAS WEBSTER
    (Birth: About 1844 Of, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland - Submitted info)

    Spouse: SUSANNA COOKE
    Marriage: 03 DEC 1863 0361, Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland

    Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
    Batch No. M702291 1863

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    Thomas James Webster
    Birth: 1827 , Tipperary, Ireland
    Death: About 1916 Oso, , Frontenac, Ontario
    Spouse: Phebe Butler
    Marriage: About 1857 Newboro, Leeds, Ontario


    Record submitted after 1991

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    Thomas James Webster
    Birth: 1827 , Tipperary, Ireland
    Death: About 1916 Oso, , Frontenac, Ontario
    Spouse: Alice Emily Warren
    Marriage: 18 NOV 1872 Newboro, Leeds, Ontario

    Record submitted after 1991

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    I can't believe you found them Amazing. Added IGI to Fav's and won't forgot next time.

    Thank you ever so much. I am now printing, scanning, saving and uploading.

    Wendy
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    Those Thomas James Webster's have me confused but not worry will figure it out sooner or later
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    IGI is very helpful, but are not actual records. It's information other people have added from their family trees. So, equivelant to George Webster's information. Or, possibly worse, because George has done an amazing job on our family tree.

    Here's what I've been able to verify, working in reverse...

    Thomas IV

    Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947

    Thos Webster, farmer, aged 34, born in Ireland, was killed by a Railroad Train, 21 Aug 1903, Goderich, Huron, Ontario, Canada

    1901 Census of Canada

    Has Thomas, wife Margaret, and son John T, living in Goderich

    Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928

    007764-99 Thomas WEBSTER, 27, farmer, Ireland, Goderich Tp, s/o Thomas WEBSTER & Susan COOKE, married Margaret Victoria DEMPSEY, 20, Goderich Tp, Goderich Tp, d/o John DEMPSEY & Elizabeth STERLING, Wit: Maud DEMPSEY & John Webster, 21 Jun 1899

    1891 Census of Canada

    Has Thomas, aged 23, living with his parents, Thomas & Susanah, and 4 siblings, John, Lizzy, Susan, and James...all born in Ireland. James, the youngest, was born abt 1883, so that narrows their arrival in Canada to abt 1884-1990.

    Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911

    Name: Thomas Webster; Gender: Male; Birth Date: 5 Jul 1866; Birth Place: Kilcooly, Tipperary, Ireland; Father's Name: Thomas Webster; Mother's name: Susan Cooke; FHL Film Number: 101132


    Thomas III

    Ontario, Canada, Deaths, 1869-1938 and Deaths Overseas, 1939-1947

    Thomas Webster, Irish, DoB: 4 Apr 1839, DoD: 3 Apr 1912, died of pneumonia, Ashfield, Huron, Ontario, Canada

    1911 Census of Canada

    Thomas & Susanah are living with son, John Henry (head of household), and daughter, Susanah. Ashfield, Huron, Ontario, Canada.

    1901 Census of Canada

    Thomas & Susana, with children, John, Elizabeth, Susana, and James. In Ashfield

    1891 Census of Canada

    See Thomas IV.

    Tipperary Marriages

    Thomas WEBSTER was the son of Thomas Webster. He resided in Newpark,Kilcooley,Co.Tipperary.
    He was married to Susanna COOKE on 3 Dec 1863 in Kilcooley (Church of Ireland).(7) Their Marriage was witnessed by Peter Semple & Catherine Webster.

    Susanna COOKE was the daughter of Peter Cooke. She resided Bonlea, Kilcooley.
    She was married to Thomas WEBSTER on 3 Dec 1863 in Kilcooley (Church of Ireland).(7) Their Marriage was witnessed by Peter Semple & Catherine Webster.


    Thomas II

    Ireland, Civil Registration Deaths Index, 1864-1958

    Thomas Webster, 90 years old. Death registered at Urlingford, Kilkenny, Ireland, just a few miles North of Kilcooley Abbey, and 10-12 miles North of The Commons, in Tipperary. DoB: abt 1785, DoD: 1875

    Ireland, Griffith’s Valuation, Callan, Carrick-on-Suir, Cashel, Thurles and Urlingford: 1850

    Thomas Webster has house, offices, and lands, in Blackcommon, Kilcooly, Slievardagh, Tipperary.

    Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-1837

    Name: Thos Webster, County: Tipperary, Parish: Kilcooly, Townland: Kilcooly Commons, Year: 1826


    Now, that 1826 entry could also have possibly been Thomas I, depending on how old he lived. All that is basically known about Thomas I is his name, and that's from family history, from what I've been able to find. I am descended from Thomas I's other son, Daniel, who immigrated to Canada in 1837, and finally settled in the Huron/Bruce in 1854.

    I know the original post is a little old, but hope something helps. Take care.

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    Philadelphia Passenger lists on Ancestry:

    Thomas Webster age 48 (c1839) Ireland, Labour.
    Wife: Susan age 43 Ireland
    Thomas age 16. Labour
    Minnie age 14 Servant.
    Jas age 11. Child
    Lizzie age 9. Child
    Susan age 7. Child
    James age 4. Child

    Depart Liverpool on "Indiana"
    Arrive Philadelphia 9 May 1887.


    There is also this marriage in County of Huron, division of Wingham.

    Married by licence 9 Feb 1890.

    George Gibson, age 40. W. resident Vancouver when married.
    Born Equessing, Ontario. Farmer. (Church of England)
    Parents: John and Catherine Gibson.
    to:
    Catherine Maria Webster, age 23. of Ashfield, Huron Co. (a Methodist)
    Born: Tipperary, Ireland.
    Parents: Thomas and Susanna Webster

    Witness: Jas McGuire? of Wingham and Elizabeth Ferrier of Bruce?

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