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    This will may be worth a punt!
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    Two more death announcements:

    Glasgow Herald, 7 November 1868:
    'At Cheltenham, on the 5th inst., George Taylor, Esq., son of the late John Taylor of Kirktonhill, Kincardineshire.'

    Morning Post, 25 August 1898:
    'TAYLOR - On the 22nd inst., at 19, Lansdowne-terrace, Cheltenham, Christian Elizabeth Campbell, widow of George Taylor, aged eighty-[one??]'
    [last word very indistinct]

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    1841 Census: HO107 Piece 353 Book 11 Civil Parish: Cheltenham; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 29; Folio 26 Page: 9
    (Original TNA Crown copyright)
    Sansdown Villa, Sansdown Terrace, Cheltenham
    Eleanor JOPP 55 Ind
    Charles JOPP 30
    E.P. JOPP 30 (female)
    Ann JOPP 30
    Sarah JOPP 25
    None born in county - remember ages rounded to nearest 5 in 1841
    Numerous live in servants

    1851 Census: HO107; Piece: 1973; Folio: 1019; Page: 49 (Original TNA Crown copyright)
    7 Lansdown Crescent, Cheltenham
    Ellenor JOPP Widow 70 (not sure if birth column has been left blank or whether a smudge is actually a ditto mark for Gloucester)
    Ellenor dau 45 born ?Jersey? B.S. (doesn't look like Jamaica, but don't think it says Jersey either)
    Anna dau 42 born Bath
    Jessett dau 40 b Bath
    Elizabeth Jane dau 43 b Bath
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sue Mackay View Post
    Jessett dau 40 b Bath
    This was almost certainly Janet Campbell JOPP (Jessie pet name for Janet in Scotland)
    The National Probate Calendar has Janet Campbell JOPP of 19 Lansdown Crescent, Cheltenham, spinster, died 16 June 1890. Executor was her nephew Alexander TAYLOR of County Wicklow in Ireland, Land Agent

    Probate Calendar also lists Eleanor Stewart JOPP (presumably the daughter?) of 19 Landsowne Terrace, spinster, who died 25 June 1884. Executors nephews George Robert TAYLOR of 19 Lansdowne Terrace Cheltenham and William Stewart TAYLOR of Ormsby, Middlesborough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coromandel View Post
    Death announced in the Morning Post, 4 September 1823:
    'Lately, at Tours, in France, Keith Jopp, Esq. late of Bath and the Island of Jamaica.'
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    Death announced in the Morning Chronicle, 8 January 1859:
    'On the 5th inst., at Cheltenham, Eleanor, widow of the late Keith Jopp, Esq., of Keith-hall, and Joppa, Jamaica, aged 82.'
    Good find Coromandel.. now with that info I have been able to find a little more info, namely, Baptism/Christenings.

    I know that Iíve entered Keith and Eleanorís daughter Elizabeth Jane twice but for a reason. The first shows her baptism in England but the second shows her baptism in the Jamaica Births and Baptisms collection.

    Keith Jopp Male
    Baptism/Christening Date: Mar 1802 Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, St Marylebone, London, England
    Birth Date: 18 Jan 1802
    Father Keith Jopp Mother Eleanor
    Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03524-4 Source Film Number: 580907 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

    Elizabeth Jane Jopp Female
    Baptism/Christening Date: 22 May 1807 Christchurch, Hampshire, England
    Birth Date: 15 Oct 1806
    Father Keith Jopp Mother Eleanor
    Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C14658-4 Source Film Number: 1041289 Reference Number: item 7 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

    Elizabeth Jane Female
    Baptism/Christening Date: 1807 Christchurch, Hampshire, England
    Birth Date: 1806
    Father Keith Jopp Mother Eleanor
    Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C14658-4 Source Film Number: 1041289 Reference Number: - 2:TL70F2 Collection: Jamaica Births and Baptisms, 1752-1920

    William Bailie Jopp Male
    Baptism/Christening Date: 1818 Saint Andrews, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England
    Birth Date: 1818
    Father Keith Jopp Mother Eleanor
    Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C17253-1 Source Film Number: 1595528 Reference Number: - 2:2ZKLRS7 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

    Quote Originally Posted by Sue Mackay View Post
    1851 Census: HO107; Piece: 1973; Folio: 1019; Page: 49 (Original TNA Crown copyright)
    7 Lansdown Crescent, Cheltenham
    Ellenor JOPP Widow 70 (not sure if birth column has been left blank or whether a smudge is actually a ditto mark for Gloucester)
    Ellenor dau 45 born ?Jersey? B.S. (doesn't look like Jamaica, but don't think it says Jersey either)
    Anna dau 42 born Bath
    Jessett dau 40 b Bath
    Elizabeth Jane dau 43 b Bath
    Very good find Sue, both with the will and the censuses. Elizabeth Jane dau 43 b Bath would put her birth around 1807/8, which matches with the Baptism I found.

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    You've all been busy bees. Good finds.

    Another useful will to obtain would be the will of James Jopp of Grove Horndean Southampton, written 5 March 1835 and proved on 19 March 1836. He mentions quite a few JOPP nephews and nieces including Christina Elizabeth Campbell Jopp.

    Possible announcement in the paper for him.
    Died
    At Cheltenham, J. Jopp Esq. of Pulteney-street, Bath, aged 76.
    Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, June 6 1835

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    This birth announcement from the Morning Post, Friday 22 January 1802 seems to fit with the 1802 christening of Keith Jopp found by Terry:
    'On Monday last, in Welbeck-street, the Lady of Keith Jopp, Esq., of a son.'

    Only a few months later (17 June 1802), this death announcement appeared in the Morning Chronicle:
    'On the 12th inst. at Edinburgh, Keith Jopp, Esq., youngest son of Keith Jopp, Esq. of Welbeck-street.'
    The connection with Welbeck Street makes it seem likely that this is the male Jopp baby born at Welbeck Street earlier that year. But would a baby be called Keith Jopp, Esq.? I also note a couple of references in newspapers in 1846 to a Captain Keith Jopp having arrived in Cheltenham - could he be the son of Keith & Eleanor? Is he the one baptised 1802, or did they perhaps have another son Keith born later???

    Birth, announced in the Morning Chronicle, Saturday 18 Oct 1806:
    'On Wednesday evening last, at Sydney-Place, Bath, Mrs. Jopp, wife of Keith Jopp, Esq., of a daughter.'

    Is this another sibling, or is there another Keith Jopp with Jamaica connections? :-
    Aberdeen Journal, 31 Oct 1821
    'Died, at Jamaica, Mr. GEORGE JOPP, eldest son of Keith Jopp, Esq.'

    Elizabeth Jane Jopp's marriage, from the Morning Post, 9 June 1831
    'On the 1st inst. at Littleham Church, Exmouth, by the Rev. Charles Lloyd, Henry Vereker Lloyd, Esq. third son of Frederick Lloyd of Crunna, county Tipperary, to Elizabeth Jane, second daughter of the late Keith Jopp, Esq.'

    Death announcement from the Hampshire Telegraph & Sussex Chronicle, 29 January 1848:
    'Jan. 11, at Limerick, Captain William Baillie Jopp, 64th Regiment, youngest son of the late Keith Jopp, Esq.'

    Newspapers also alerted me to a dissolution of partnership, originally announced in the London Gazette, 28 June 1806:
    'Notice is hereby given, that the Partnership lately carried on in Jamaica, between Robert Bogle, Keith Jopp, Andrew Bogle, and George Moir, under the Firm of Bogle, Jopp, and Co., hath been dissolved, and Keith Jopp hath assigned his Share of the Property and Debts of that Partnership to Robert Bogle, Andrew Bogle, and George Moir.'
    'Robert Bogle, jun.
    Keith Jopp.
    Andrew Bogle.
    George Moir,
    by R. Shawe, his Attorney, by Power.';
    Immediately beneath that:
    'Notice is hereby given, that the late House of Bogle, Jopp, and Co. of Jamaica, having been dissolved, the Business will in future be carried on, under the Firm of Bogles and Moir.'
    'Robt. Bogle, jun.
    Andrew Bogle.
    George Moir,
    by R. Shawe, his Attorney, by Power.'

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    The IGI has a christening of a Keith JOPP on 9 June 1768 in St.Nicholas, Aberdeen, Scotland, the son of James JOPP and Jean MOIR. This seems a likely lead to follow given the name MOIR as a partner here.

    James JOPP married Jean MOIR on 12 August 1751 in St.Nicholas, Aberdeen (IGI) - you can find the full record by buying a credit on Scotlandspeople

    The Slave records on Ancestry show that Keith JOPP owned 450 slaves on his plantation in St.Andrew's parish, Jamaica
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    I've just checked on Ancestry and there are a number of extensive JOPP family trees which are probably worth checking out. They have Keith Jopp down as the son of James Jopp and Jean Moir, born abt 1768. There are quite a number of christenings in Scotland on family search for the children of James and Jean.

    Also, another will that might be of interest is the will of Jean Young otherwise Jopp, Widow of Aberdeen, proved on 28 April 1837. She mentions a Keith Jopp son of her late brother Keith Jopp.

    There are quite a few mentions of James JOPP of Aberdeen in the newspapers. For example, there is a death announcement in the papers on July 15, 1794 for a James Jopp, chief magistrate of the city. There are also records on the National Archives relating to James Jopp, Provost of Aberdeen. I don't know if you want any of this posted right now.

    Lots to investigate indeed.

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    A public tree on Ancestry says that Keith JOPP married Eleanor CAMPBELL in Liguanea, Jamaica in 1800 (no source given). A quick look on Google Maps shows that there is a Liguanea in St.Andrew's Parish, Kingston, Jamaica, which would fit with the St.Andrew's Parish location given on the slave registers
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