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    davidfowler
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    I am trying to locate ancestors of Robert E Sill. He married Iris Bullock in the Dec qtr 1949 in Birmingham and died 27th July 1997. He was a Police Constable and I have the 1911 census of what is possibly his father, another Robert Sill, also a Ploiceman b1883 in Westmorland, living in Cartwright Place, Inkerman St, Vauxhall, Birmingham.
    Hope someone can help.
    Thanks
    David

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    Thomasin
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    Robert E Sill b. March quarter 1913, mother's maiden name Wood, Aston 6d 1177.

    Parents - Robert Sill m. Agnes Elizabeth Wood Sept quarter 1908, Aston 6d 360.

    This Robert was b. June quarter 1882, E. Ward (which covers Dufton), 10b 675.

    1901 Robert was 'Horse man on farm' at Westernhope Burn, Co. Durham (RG13; 4659; 8; 8).

    1891 Robert was at home with mother Ann and five siblings at North Ormesby (RG12; 4018; 27; 48).

    Earlier than this there were problems, but I searched for sister Mabel in 1901 and found her as 'sister-in-law' in the Hewitson household. Mrs Hewitson was a Laura, but no suitable Laura Sill surfaced! However, I found the marriage on FreeBMD of Edward Hewitson and Laura Ellwood, and in the 1881 census there she is, as step-daughter to William 'Sile':

    William SILE Head 29 Agricultural labourer b. Cliburn, Westmorland
    Ann SILE Wife 26 b. Dufton, Westmorland
    Laura ELLWOOD Step Daughter 6 b. Dufton, Westmorland
    Mary N SILE Daughter 1 b. Dufton, Westmorland

    There is a marriage in December quarter 1878 for William Sill and Ann Ellwood, E. Ward 10b 967.

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    Thomasin
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    In 1871 Ann Ellwood, then 17, is living with her grandmother Ann Bell at St Ann's Hospital, Appleby. The grandmother is shown as an Almswoman and young Ann is a General Servant.

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    Thomasin
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    As for William, this looks like the family in 1861 at Cliburn Village:

    Robert SILL Head 64 Proprietor of Houses and Land 10 Acres b. Cliburn, Westmorland
    Elizabeth SILL Wife 42 b. Cumberland
    William SILL Son 9 b. Cliburn, Westmorland
    Sarah KIRKPATERICK (sic) Daughter in law Unmarried 19 Dressmaker b. Askham, Westmorland
    John GRAY Brother in law Unmarried 55 b Lowther, Westmorland.

    RG09; 3961; 132; 6.

    Elizabeth SILL was Elizabeth KIRKPATRICK, who married Robert in 1858 after the death of his first wife Mary in 1852.

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    Thomasin
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    In 1851, at Cliburn:

    Robert SILL 56 Gamekeeper b. Cliburn
    Mary SILL 42 b. Helton, Westmorland
    Jane SILL 15
    Miles SILL 11
    Margaret SILL 9
    Mary SILL 7
    Eve SILL 5
    John SILL 2
    (all children born at Cliburn)

    HO107; 2440; 164; 4.

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    davidfowler
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    Wow Thomasin, fantastic and quick. This has given me a real kick-on. Thanks.

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    Thomasin
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    Oh, how's this for 1841 -

    Cliburn Head, Cliburn

    Robert SILL 45
    Mary SILL 30
    Robert SILL 14
    Jane SILL 5
    Miles SILL 1
    Miles SILL 75 (surely the father, born about 1766?)

    All born Westmorland.
    HO107; 1162; 12/7; 9.

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    Nick Jones
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    Default Laura Ellwood was my maternal grandmother

    and Robert Sile's half sister?....Laura met and married Edward Hewitson in Middlesborough or nearby. The family subsequently moved to the midlands and Edward, as a relatively young man, managed the Theatre Royal Birmingham.He went on to own three Smethwick cinemas and a variety theatre, became Mayor of Smethwick, a JP and was honoured. He died in 1936 - a couple of years after Laura. A pathe news film of the funeral can be seen on line.

    I have fond childhood 1950's/60's memories of my Westmorland family and my great aunts & uncles including Mabel and Charlie - Robert's sister and brother perhaps?

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    davidfowler
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    Thank you Nick for sharing that.

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    terrysfamily
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasin View Post
    Parents - Robert Sill m. Agnes Elizabeth Wood Sept quarter 1908, Aston 6d 360.
    Groom: Robert Sill, Single, Age: 26, YOB, 1882
    Bride: Agnes Elizabeth Wood, Single, Age 30, YOB: 1878
    marriage date: 19 Sep 1908, Ashted, Warwick, England
    G/Father: William Sill
    B/Father: John Wood
    indexing project (batch) number:M00776-5, source film number: 1545526
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasin View Post
    There is a marriage in December quarter 1878 for William Sill and Ann Ellwood, E. Ward 10b 967.
    Groom: William Sill, Age: 27, YOB 1851
    Bride: Ann Ellwood, Age: 25, YOB 1853
    marriage date: 14 Nov 1878, Dufton, Westmoreland, England
    G/Father: Robert Sill
    indexing project (batch) number: M05538-3, source film number: 1471872
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasin View Post
    This Robert was b. June quarter 1882, E. Ward (which covers Dufton), 10b 675.
    Robert Sill, Male
    baptism/christening date: 25 Jun 1882, Dufton, Westmoreland, England
    Father: William Sill, Mother: Ann
    indexing project (batch) number: C02836-0, source film number: 1471872
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasin View Post
    William SILE Head 29 Agricultural labourer b. Cliburn, Westmorland
    Ann SILE Wife 26 b. Dufton, Westmorland
    Laura ELLWOOD Step Daughter 6 b. Dufton, Westmorland
    Mary N SILE Daughter 1 b. Dufton, Westmorland
    Laura Ellwood, Female
    baptism/christening date: 26 Nov 1876, Dufton, Westmoreland, England
    Mother: Ann Ellwood
    indexing project (batch) number: C02836-0, source film number: 1471872

    Mary Nancy Sill, Female
    baptism/christening date: 09 Nov 1879, Dufton, Westmoreland, England
    Father: William Sill, Mother: Ann
    indexing project (batch) number: C02836-0, source film number: 1471872
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasin View Post
    Elizabeth SILL was Elizabeth KIRKPATRICK, who married Robert in 1858 after the death of his first wife Mary in 1852.
    Mary Sill. Female, Age 43, YOB: 1809
    burial date: 04 Jul 1852, Westmoreland, England
    marital status: Unknown
    indexing project (batch) number: B00462-9, source film number: 1471666
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasin View Post
    As for William, this looks like the family in 1861 at Cliburn Village:

    Robert SILL Head 64 Proprietor of Houses and Land 10 Acres b. Cliburn, Westmorland
    Elizabeth SILL Wife 42 b. Cumberland
    William SILL Son 9 b. Cliburn, Westmorland
    Sarah KIRKPATERICK (sic) Daughter in law Unmarried 19 Dressmaker b. Askham, Westmorland
    John GRAY Brother in law Unmarried 55 b Lowther, Westmorland.

    RG09; 3961; 132; 6.
    Sarah Kirkpatrick, Female
    baptism/christening date: 07 Oct 1841, ASKHAM, WESTMORLAND
    Mother: Elizabeth Kirkpatrick
    indexing project (batch) number: C00233-2, source film number:97347
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasin View Post
    In 1851, at Cliburn:

    Robert SILL 56 Gamekeeper b. Cliburn
    Mary SILL 42 b. Helton, Westmorland
    Jane SILL 15
    Miles SILL 11
    Margaret SILL 9
    Mary SILL 7
    Eve SILL 5
    John SILL 2
    (all children born at Cliburn)

    HO107; 2440; 164; 4.
    Groom: Robert Sill
    Bride: Mary Gray
    marriage date: 09 Jun 1835, Askham,Westmorland,England
    indexing project (batch) number: M00233-1, source film number: 97347

    Margaret Sill, Female
    baptism/christening date: 26 Nov 1837, CLIBURN, WESTMORLAND
    death date: 13 Dec 1840
    Father: Robert Sill, Mother: Mary
    indexing project (batch) number: C00318-2, source film number: 97362

    Jane Sill, Female
    baptism/christening date: 07 February 1836, CLIBURN, WESTMORELAND
    Father: Robert Sill, Mother: Mary
    indexing project (batch) number: C00318-3, source film number: 1471666

    Miles Sill, Male
    baptism/christening date: 12 January 1840, CLIBURN, WESTMORELAND
    Father: Robert Sill, Mother: Mary
    indexing project (batch) number: C00318-3, source film number: 1471666

    Margaret Sill, Female
    baptism/christening date: 13 February 1842, CLIBURN, WESTMORELAND
    Father: Robert Sill, Mother: Mary
    indexing project (batch) number: C00318-3, source film number: 1471666

    Mary Sill, Female
    baptism/christening date: 13 March 1844, CLIBURN, WESTMORELAND
    Father: Robert Sill, Mother: Mary
    indexing project (batch) number: C00318-3, source film number: 1471666

    Eve Sill, Female
    baptism/christening date: 04 July 1846, CLIBURN, WESTMORELAND
    Father: Robert Sill, Mother: Mary
    indexing project (batch) number: C00318-3, source film number: 1471666

    John Sill, Male
    baptism/christening date: 18 Mar 1849, CLIBURN, WESTMORLAND
    death date: 29 Mar 1852
    Father: Robert Sill, Mother: Mary
    indexing project (batch) number: C00318-2, source film number: 97362

    William Sill, Male
    baptism/christening date: 09 Nov 1851, Cliburn, Westmoreland, England
    Father: Robert Sill, Mother: Mary
    indexing project (batch) number: C02840-8, source film number: 1471666

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