The mystery of Mary Doble/Doubell birth

[tnorbury]

I have a Mary Doble in my family who I have been unable to find her parents or when she was born.

We have found Mary Doble in the 1881 census.

In the 1881 RG11/2386, folio 150, p 14 (Lower Marshwood, Cricket St. Thomas, Somerset) (Loud, dairy) DOBLE, Mary, 19, unmarried, dairy maid, birth place not given.

The marriage certificate showed:

1882 Marriage solemnized at the parish church of Winsham, Somerset, No 235
4 September 1882 between
James Chick, 22, bachelor, labourer, residing Winsham; father = Charles (deceased) labourer
Mary Doubell, 22, Spinster, domestic servant, residing Marshwood in Cricket St. Thomas
Witnesses Henry and Charlotte Chick
There marriage certificate does not list her father.

The 1891 Census shows Mary Doble being born in Colyton Devon, we believe there is a spelling error somewhere showing Chick as Check.

James CHECK 30 occ Farmers Labourer b Winsham
Mary 28 b Colyton
Harry 6 b Winsham
Polly 4 b Burton Dorset
Flora 8 b Winsham
John 2 b Lyme
Residing at Colway Dairy, Charmouth Street Lyme Axminster Devon
Census Ref RG12/1666/50/16

Death James Chick Sept 1900 aged 39 Bridport 5a 199

1901 Census

Mary Chick Widow 36 b Whitechurch Dorset
Joseph 15
Frank 11
Emma 9
Florence 8
Bessie 4
Charles 2
Residing at 1, Greenway, Whitechurch, Canicorum Bridport Dorset
Census Ref RG13/2014/64/12

We are currently waiting on a birth to arrive on Frank to double check that this is the same Mary.

Any help in trying to find out further information on Mary would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Trudy Norbury

[Geoffers]

I have a Mary Doble in my family who I have been unable to find her parents or when she was born.
In the 1881 RG11/2386, folio 150, p 14 DOBLE, Mary, 19, unmarried, dairy maid, birth place not given.

1882 Marriage solemnized at the parish church of Winsham, Somerset,
James Chick, 22, bachelor,
Mary Doubell, 22, Spinster, domestic servant,
There marriage certificate does not list her father.

At the moment this is pointing towards an illegitimate birth

The 1891 Census shows Mary Doble being born in Colyton Devon, we believe there is a spelling error somewhere showing Chick as Check.

Rather than spelling error, just think of this as a variant spelling. The spelling of srnames did not become finally fixed until the start of the 20th century. Prior to then local accent and guesswork played an important part in things.

Taking Mary's declared place of birth in 1891 as being there or thereabouts and also that her mum may not have been too far away - I looked for the name DOBLE and variants in the 1861 census in the area of Axminster.

There seem to be a couple of possibilities which may be worth looking at (if you have not already done so).

RG9/1372 f100 p3 in Dalwood - has Mary DOUBELL aged 22 and Elizabeth aged 16, both unmarried.
RG9/1370 f95 p3 in Up Lyme - has a Mary Ann DOBLE aged 17, unmarried.

The head of house in 1861 in Up Lyme is Mary Ann's dad John born 1805. John is still living in Up Lyme in 1891, did Mary CHECK want to live in Lyme for a reason? - Though that may of course just be unconnected coincidence.

Dalwood is a little to the north of Colyton, Uplyme to the east - but both are in easy travelling distance of someone going there perhaps for work as a domestic.

It may be worthwhile accessing the local parish registers for Colyton - also possibly Dalwood and Up Lyme (in case the mother went back to family) to see if a matching baptism can be found.

As a matter of balance, it should be noted that there are several births in nearby Honiton District around 1862-ish that may possibly match a birth for your lass - it may be worth checking the census to see if any may obviously be eliminated.

[JillianR]

That surname in Australia has become DOBELL.

[valg]

I have a Mary Doble in my family who I have been unable to find her parents or when she was born.

We have found Mary Doble in the 1881 census.

In the 1881 RG11/2386, folio 150, p 14 (Lower Marshwood, Cricket St. Thomas, Somerset) (Loud, dairy) DOBLE, Mary, 19, unmarried, dairy maid, birth place not given.

The marriage certificate showed:

1882 Marriage solemnized at the parish church of Winsham, Somerset, No 235
4 September 1882 between
James Chick, 22, bachelor, labourer, residing Winsham; father = Charles (deceased) labourer
Mary Doubell, 22, Spinster, domestic servant, residing Marshwood in Cricket St. Thomas
Witnesses Henry and Charlotte Chick
There marriage certificate does not list her father.

The 1891 Census shows Mary Doble being born in Colyton Devon, we believe there is a spelling error somewhere showing Chick as Check.

James CHECK 30 occ Farmers Labourer b Winsham
Mary 28 b Colyton
Harry 6 b Winsham
Polly 4 b Burton Dorset
Flora 8 b Winsham
John 2 b Lyme
Residing at Colway Dairy, Charmouth Street Lyme Axminster Devon
Census Ref RG12/1666/50/16

Death James Chick Sept 1900 aged 39 Bridport 5a 199

1901 Census

Mary Chick Widow 36 b Whitechurch Dorset
Joseph 15
Frank 11
Emma 9
Florence 8
Bessie 4
Charles 2
Residing at 1, Greenway, Whitechurch, Canicorum Bridport Dorset
Census Ref RG13/2014/64/12

We are currently waiting on a birth to arrive on Frank to double check that this is the same Mary.

Any help in trying to find out further information on Mary would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Trudy Norbury

The elder son noted on the 1901 census is John not Joseph

[tnorbury]

It may be worthwhile accessing the local parish registers for Colyton - also possibly Dalwood and Up Lyme (in case the mother went back to family) to see if a matching baptism can be found.

It will take me a while to go through all you useful ideas/thoughts. I had already contacted a group that holds the Colyton records but they have no Doble/Doubell entries.

I had been looking at a couple Mary's

We had a couple possible Mary's.

There is a Mary Doble on the 1871 census aged 10 years living at Honiton with parents Thomas and Ann. Mary born in Gittisham in 1861. 1Q'61 5b/24

2Q'61 Mary Ann Honiton 5d/27
1Q'63 Mary Jane Honiton 5d/20(or 24?)

RG9/1372 f100 p3 in Dalwood - has Mary DOUBELL aged 22 and Elizabeth aged 16, both unmarried.
RG9/1370 f95 p3 in Up Lyme - has a Mary Ann DOBLE aged 17, unmarried.

That is a good idea to look at te two that could be her mother. I don't currently have access to the 1861 census, did it say who these Mary's lived with.

Thank you for helping me

Trudy

[tnorbury]

The elder son noted on the 1901 census is John not Joseph

I had sent for Frank's birth certificate to verify this is the same Mary, with this information it makes it even more likely that is the same Mary.

Thank you

Trudy

[Geoffers]

I don't currently have access to the 1861 census, did it say who these Mary's lived with.

RG9/1372 f100 p3
Cockwad Farm, Dalwood
Job FRENCH, hd, mar, 40, bn Membury, Devon
Sarah French, wf, mar, 46, bn Dunkwell, Devon
Mary DOUBLE, daur-in-law, unm, 22, bn Awliscombe, Devon
Elizabeth Double, daur-in-law, unm, 16, bn Awliscombe
Sarah French, daur, 10, bn Awliscombe
Frances French, daur, 7, bn Membury
James French, son, 3, bn Membury
(top four all dairy workers)

RG9/1370 f95 p3
Sansoms Cottage, Up Lyme
John DOBLE, hd, mar, 56, ag.lab, bn Farway, Devon
Mary Doble, wf, mar, 50, bn Combpyne, Devon
Edward Doble, son, unm, 20, ag.lab, bn Uplyme
Mary Ann Doble, daur, unm, 17, bn Uplyme
Samuel Doble, son, 10, bn Uplyme
Thomas Doble, son, 3, bn Uplyme

There may be others who are worth looking at.

Don't forget information in message no.3 above

As well as CofE records, do also check non-conformist records, these are available via the pay-per-view site BMDregisters (also available on subscription via 'TheGenealogist').

[tnorbury]

RG9/1372 f100 p3
Cockwad Farm, Dalwood
Job FRENCH, hd, mar, 40, bn Membury, Devon
Sarah French, wf, mar, 46, bn Dunkwell, Devon
Mary DOUBLE, daur-in-law, unm, 22, bn Awliscombe, Devon
Elizabeth Double, daur-in-law, unm, 16, bn Awliscombe
Sarah French, daur, 10, bn Awliscombe
Frances French, daur, 7, bn Membury
James French, son, 3, bn Membury
(top four all dairy workers)

This is very interesting as I know that in 1881 my Mary was working as a dairy maid. It would be intesting to see who was living with Job FRENCH and Sarah French in the 1771 census to see if there was a child that could have been born about 1863 that could potentially be my Mary. I am curious if Sarah remarried hense the two DOUBLE's living with them?
Thank you for your help

Trudy

[Geoffers]

This is very interesting as I know that in 1881 my Mary was working as a dairy maid.

Job descriptions varied in detail, you may find others who worked in dairies just described as agricultural labourers (ag.labs).

It would be intesting to see who was living with Job FRENCH and Sarah French in the 1771 census to see if there was a child that could have been born about 1863 that could potentially be my Mary.

They are difficult locate in 1871.

For 1851 see HO107/1863 f306 p12 at Luppitt, Devonshire.

freebmd shows a probable marriage for Job FRENCH in Jun 1850 in Honiton District, the bride appears to be Sarah DOWBLE

I am curious if Sarah remarried hense the two DOUBLE's living with them?
Thank you for your help

Trudy[/QUOTE]

[tnorbury]

They are difficult locate in 1871.

For 1851 see HO107/1863 f306 p12 at Luppitt, Devonshire.

https://luppitt.korfball.com/images/d...l/census51.txt

Claylands Cott 51 B158

French Job 25 mar head ag lab Membury Dev
French Sarah 35 mar wife Dunkeswell Dev
Doble Samuel 8 unm neph visitor Awliscombe Dev
Doble Elizabeth 6 unm niec visitor Awliscombe Dev
Doble Sarah Ann 6m unm niec visitor Awliscombe Dev

Interesting as they have Elizabeth as their niece, although there is no mention of Mary in this one.

Trudy