As family lore hold, my grandmother Mary Jane Baines, not 100% sure of the first names, eloped with my grandfather probably around about 1890-1900. I can only find one record of a Baines marrying a Wakefield, but not my gran. I've checked the records at Gretna Green without success. Any suggestions of where else I might check for couples that eloped
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11-11-2010, 11:52 PM #1omegaguyGuest
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12-11-2010, 1:17 AM #2
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Welcome to Gerry who has just joined our forum! More detail on this query can be found on his introductory thread here:
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12-11-2010, 1:44 AM #3omegaguyGuest
Unfortunately, my grandfather's name is one of the pieces of info that I'm missing, to the best of my knowledge he had the nick name of wakie, I guess from wakefield. and until I hear from my source in England I'm not 100% sure that Mary Jane is her first name. I can say with absolute certainty that the Mary Jane Baines you mentioned is not my grandmother as I have her giving birth to Irene wakefield in the mid 1920s which wold put her in her fifties and apart from that she died circa 1959 which would put her over 100, not sure of her exact age but definately not that old but thanks very much for the info
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12-11-2010, 8:32 AM #4GeoffersGuest
From your other thread:
On my mother's side I've only been able to come up with my grandmother's maiden name, which was Baines, Who married a Wakefield, first name unknown, year unknown
The name should hopefully match up with the certificate found by your cousin's mum (as per your other thread).
From there you can then begin the search for your grandparents (hoped for) marriage with greater certainty (the marriage certificate will provide ages, marital condition, also names and occupations of fathers; along with other useful detail).
If there is the possibility that your grandfather married whilst serving in the army (I am guessing this may have been around the time of either the South African or First World War) you do need to also check the index to army marriages - if only for the purposes of elimination.
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12-11-2010, 1:02 PM #5
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Here's a potential marriage index grouping, once you determine the names of both parents from a birth certificate of one of your direct ancestors:
Mary Jane Bayne
George Cowell
Ann Coyne
John Wakefield
September quarter 1904
Barrow in Furness registration district
Volume 8e, Page 1633
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12-11-2010, 1:40 PM #6
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12-11-2010, 2:44 PM #7GeoffersGuest
Something to just bear in mind in case it is connected.
Looking at GRO index for the birth of your aunt and other WAKEFIELD births where the mother's maiden name is shown as BAINES; I see that there are seven entries from 1912-1925. The last five were registered in Middlesbrough, the first two in Stockton.
If the mother was perhaps in her mid 40's by 1925, or perhaps was at least 16 by 1912, this gives a birth period of 1880-1896 - suppose she was a local girl and had her first two children where she grew up; also that her name was Mary BAINES. There is one entry in the 1901 census that might fit, have a look at RG13/4625 f63 p18, Fenny Street, Stockton.
On the evidence presently available this is nothing more than speculation - something to keep in mind as a possibility.
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12-11-2010, 3:53 PM #8omegaguyGuest
Thanks for the tip, I know he fought in WW1, but that was after my mother was born, however I supose it's possible he could have been in other campaings, where can I find the index you mentioned?
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12-11-2010, 4:08 PM #9omegaguyGuest
That's extremely interesting as I do know there is a conection with Barrow in furnace, probably on my grandfather's side as I remember my mom saying that her mom came from the same place as as Graci Fields, which is Rochdale, and strangely enough I may have a distant relative that was that was related to her through marriage. There is a Douggie Wakefild who was an actor that married Gracie Fields' sister
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13-11-2010, 5:27 PM #10GeoffersGuestOriginally Posted by omegaguy
however I supose it's possible he could have been in other campaings, where can I find the index you mentioned?
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