Gruwitch?

[ewan]

On freebmd there is a birth registration of an Alice Emily Gruwitch, this birth was registered in Portsea registration district June 1858.

I have never seen this surname before, hoping to find this person on the 1861 census, there were no individuals with that surname that come up.

Can anyone please help and see if they can find this Alice on any censuses? I am thinking perhaps a transcription error was made along the way and that is not the correct surname.
Help appreciated.
Ewan

[Kerrywood]

In 1861 the family is indexed by Ancestry as GREEWITCH, and by FindMyPast as GREENWICH.

RG9/643 folio 169 page 35 (reference to original record held by TNA)

[Peter Goodey]

I am thinking perhaps a transcription error was made along the way and that is not the correct surname.

Possibly although in 1875 in Portsea there is a marriage of an Alice Emily L GRUWICH

Also try a wild card search on FreeBMD for GRUWI*CH (all events, no forenames, no district) which will provide a good clue to the origin of the name (poss. GRUWITSCH)

[terrysfamily]

This has tweeked my curiosity. I think I may have found the family using family search and FreeBMD. Can’t be sure it’s all one family but if it is you will see the surname swaps between Grewitsch, Gruwitch and Gruwich …… you decide!

Familysearch.pilot has the following marriage

Groom's Name: Charles Grewitsch
Bride's Name: Caroline Rex Or Roe
Marriage Date: 14 May 1853 Saint Marys,Portsea,Hampshire,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M06261-3 Source Film Number: 919755 Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

On FreeBMD

Marriages Jun 1853
Gruwitsch Charles Portsea I. 2b 598
Roe Caroline Portsea I. 2b 598

Births Jun 1854 GRUWITCH Wilhelmina Portsea 2b 399

Groom's Name: John Frederick Masser Bush Fisher Age: 19
Groom's Birth Date: 1855
Bride's Name: Wilhelmina Gruwitsch Age: 19
Bride's Birth Date: 1855
Marriage Date: 26 Jul 1874 Saint Marys,Portsea,Hampshire,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M06261-4
Source Film Number: 919760
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

Births Dec 1855 Gruwitsch Charles Portsea 2b 371
Deaths Dec 1858 Gruwitch Charles Portsea 2b [35]02

Births Jun 1858 Gruwitch Alice Emily Portsea 2b 378

Marriages Mar 1875
GRUWICH Alice Emily L Portsea 2b 583
HAMMOND Frank Portsea 2b 583

Groom's Name: Frank Hammond Age: 18
Groom's Birth Date: 1857
Bride's Name: Alice Emily Lydia Gruwich Age: 17
Bride's Birth Date: 1858
Marriage Date: 03 Mar 1875 Saint Marys,Portsea,Hampshire,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M06261-4 Source Film Number: 919760 Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Deaths Mar 1893 Gruwitch Caroline 68 Portsea 2b 370

What do you think?

Terry

[ewan]

Kerrywood, I have not been able to look at the 1861 census that you mention, but I am presuming that Alice Emily is on there with her family.

Thanks Peter for explaining about the wild card search I haven't quite got to grips with that yet. I followed your instructions and it was brilliant revealing all the possibilities of that surname.

Terry, thank you very much for all the information you supplied, it does look like it is the same family.

Many thanks to you all for your help with this, I don't need anymore information about this family, only whether Alice Emily Gruwitch was on the 1861 census with her family.

Ewan

[Kerrywood]

only whether Alice Emily Gruwitch was on the 1861 census with her family.

So sorry, Ewan. I assumed you had census access but couldn't find them because of the mistranscription ...

1861 census (original record held by TNA, Crown copyright)
RG9/643 folio 169 page 35
4 Diamond Street, Portsea
Caroline GRUWITCH Wife Mar 37 Dress Maker born Hants Portsmouth
Catherine GRUWITCH Daur 10 Scholar born Hants Southsea
Elizabeth GRUWITCH Daur 9 Scholar born Hants Southsea
Williamena GRUWITCH Daur 6 Scholar born Hants Southsea
Alice GRUWITCH Daur 3 Scholar born Hants Southsea
/
Jane DILLEY Lodger Un 25 Laundress born Hants Southsea
Alice DILLEY Daur 4 born Hants Southsea
/
Elizabeth WINN Lodger W 64 Laundress born Suffolk Mickfield

[ewan]

Hello Kerrywood, no need to apologise just glad of some help. I looked on all the available indexes at censuses but I couldn't find the name Gruwitch, if I had found it I would of then visited the library to look at the full entry for it. So you have helped me in a big way by posting the details.

Thanks to everyone again for your help.
Ewan

[Hilary70]

Is this post connected to ones I saw on Rootschat

rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,499712.0.html

rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,419666.0.html

(put www. in front)

[ewan]

Hello Hilary

No it isn't connected.

Ewan