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    Default St Peters , Hope.

    Can anyone help to find a marriage for a Mary Burgon and John Hall around 1828-1832. Mary was baptised at St Peters in 18/09/1812, her 2 sisters were married at St Peters, Ann married George Thorp 2/12/1829 and Elisabeth married Thomas Sidebotham 19/09/1836, but I cannot find a marriage for Mary. John Hall and Mary were living in Gorton Manchester by 1832, so there is a possibility she didn't marry in Hope ??

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    The marriages for Hope, Derby are extracted entries on the IGI.
    As you say, Ann and Elizabeth are there but not Mary.

    I doubt her marriage was in Hope but I cannot see her married to a John Hall elsewhere either though there are other entries for a Mary Burgon and variations.

    She is easy to find in the census and their eldest son, Joseph was born in Gorton in 1833, as was dad earlier. Maybe the marriage was there.

    Unfortunately ,the Gorton marriages on the IGI are 1838 - 1880 so it would mean finding the parish records, if they are available. Sorry

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    This thread may be useful to read, especially post #8 by MythicalMarian

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    Default St Peters , Hope

    Thanks Mutley.
    I'll be in Manchester this week it will give me the chance to visit the Records office. There is I believe a birth registered before Joseph Hall for a Jannah Hall
    01/05/1831 , I think this should read 'Hannah' ?? If I am not right then i have been researching the wrong family . I have also found a baptism for John Hall on 05/04/1812 at Gorton Chapel.
    You found Mary/John Hall in the census could you possibly let me have the details just to confirm I have the correct family . According to my research they were in Liverpool in the 1841 census and then in Blackley for the 1851-1871 census.
    Thanks

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    So far.....

    1851 Crumpsall
    Jno Hall 39 b~~1812 in Gorton, a Mechanic
    Mary Hall 40 b~~1811 in Hope
    Joseph Hall 18 b~~1833 in Gorton
    Sarah Hall 17 b~~1834 in Gorton
    William Hall 14 b~~1837 in Gorton
    Mary Ann Hall 10 b~~1841 in Liverpool
    Elizth Hall 7 b~~1844 in Blackley
    James Hall 4 b~~1847 in Crumpsall
    Ann Hall 2 b~~1849 in Crumpsall

    TNA HO107/2232/369/32 (Crown Copyright)

    1861 Crumpsall
    John Hall 48 b~~1813 in Gorton, a Mill Mechanic
    Mary Hall 49 b~~1812 in Hope
    James Hall 14 b~~1847 in Crumpsall
    Ann Hall 12 b~~1849 in Crumpsall
    Mary Hall 1 b~~1850 in Crumpsall
    Sarah Barnes 27 (dau, a widow) in Gorton
    Hannah Barnes 7 b~~1854 in Blackley
    Fredrick Barnes 4 b~~1857 in Blackley
    Elijah Barnes 2 b~~1859 in Blackley

    TNA RG9/2972/18/30 (Crown Copyright)

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    1871 Crumpsall
    John Hall 58 b~~1813 in Gorton, a Mechanic in Cotton Factory
    Mary Hall 58 b~~1813 in Derbyshire
    Mary Hall 12 b~~1859 in Crumpsall

    Mum is transcribed as Hary and daughter as Harry!

    TNA RG10/4063/158/37 (Crown Copyright)

    P.S. I may have done a typo on daughter Mary's 1861 birth year. Sorry.
    (Yes I did, it should read 1860)
    Last edited by Mutley; 13-12-2009 at 12:25 PM. Reason: Added a P.S.

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    1881 Crumpsall
    John Hall age 69 b~~1812 in Colne, an unemployed Blacksmith
    Mary Hall age 68 b~~1813 in Derbyshire
    Emma Green a 16 year old grand daughter, a matchmaker, born in 1865 in Manchester.

    TNA RG11/4026/74/2 (Crown Copyright)

    I am not sure if this is them but there is a marriage on FreeBMD for an Elizabeth Hall with Josia Green on the same page in March 1865 in Manchester.

    I am not sure this Crumpsall family is the same as the ones you have found living in Blackley.

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    Default St Peters Hope

    Thanks Mutley
    Thankfully it is the same family, otherwise I would have been researching the wrong family for the last few years. I doubt if the 1881 census family is right ,as it gives Johns birthplace as Colne it should be Gorton.
    I think the next step is to look at the Manchester Cath. and Stockport St Marys church records and try and find that marriage record. I have already tried the igi for M/c without success , my only thought is possibly their marriage hasn't been transcribed yet..... ??
    PS hows the weather in the Algarve ?

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