Where did Grannie die - not in BMD

[esdel]

HI Esdel, it wouldn't be something simple like this would it?
Hugh.

Walton Community Hospital,
Rodney Road, Walton-on-Thames, Surrey, KT12 3LD

Tel: 01372 201700
Fax:01372 201706

Email:[email protected]

GOOD IDEA Hugh
It could be!
I will ghather all the hospitals and nursing homes in Surrey and those in County Durham and email them all.

I wish I knew what she died of - as maybe she was at a specialist hospital
Or maybe, as Pam says, there is a big house "Walton" somewhere.
The trouble is this diary of the day-to-day events (when I first crawled, walked, spoke etc) was not for OUR benefit - it was to remind her when she was an old lady! Clearly she knew where and what Walton was and would never forget.

So maybe Pam is right - there was a big house called Walton up in Sunderland? Also as her third christian name was Rochester, Walton could even be near Rochester in what is now the Northhumberland National Forest.

Does any of this help:
Elsie Jane's diary gives death as at Walton
She was Witness at Elsie Jane's wedding
At the time of Isabel's marriage Entry 64, Number 112 Sunderland on 28 May 1896 the couple are living at 22 Western Hill, Sunderland

Isabel was born in Sunderland and lived at 6 Cornwall St (1881 census), at 22 Western Hill 1896, 5 Chester St 1915
She appeared in the 1891 census at 3 Silksworth Row, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland, Durham

But my intuition - sneer if you like - says she died at a nursing home at Walton-on-the-Hill, Surrey so as to be visiting distance from her daughter at Windsor (they had a Morris and a Wolsey and a Daimler in 1936 and I know their number-plate numbers (of which two EPF and EPE - both, strangely, Surrey numbers - NEVER did they live there, Windsor is Berkshire!)
Interesting snippet: My Mother was 40 when her second son was born, having been District Nurse in places like Lake District (and Scotland?) and became Matron at Molsey Hospital (which IS in Surrey! and right near the Waltons). She then was Matron at Princess Christian Nursing Home in Windsor until marrying my Dad as his second wife in 1935

[JAP1]

Sorry, but I'm completely boonswoggled!

My Grannie is Isabel Jane Rochester Newby
My Mother's notebook on me age one, says "Grannie died today at Walton"
The entry is on 26 Oct 1936, but gives no county for Walton"
...

... Either I am doing something wrong
or 1936 is a very bad year for BMD - as it admits
It says "No Marxhall died ANYWHERE throughout 1936" ...

If Grannie's name is NEWBY (is it?) why would you be looking for MARXHALL (which, incidentally, is a name I've not come across).

I enjoy puzzles but puzzles with errors in the clues (IF that's the situation here) make it pretty difficult for anyone to find the solutions.

JAP

[esdel]

It has not been transcribed yet on FreeBMD. These years are not complete.
You can find it in their images, December quarter: 1936D4-M-0062.jpg
Marshall, Isabel J.R., age 63, Surrey N.E. 2a,75
Do check for yourself, though, in case i made a typo

Thank you so much Peter and Mona.
Yes BMD to me is just Free BMD as I am not a member of any A site.
Problem SOLVED by you great folk interpreting for me WHERE the death can be found, first by Pam!
Problem solved
esdel

[Procat]

Sorry, but I'm completely boonswoggled!





If Grannie's name is NEWBY (is it?) why would you be looking for MARXHALL (which, incidentally, is a name I've not come across).

I enjoy puzzles but puzzles with errors in the clues (IF that's the situation here) make it pretty difficult for anyone to find the solutions.

JAP

Because Granny appears to have married Roger Marshall in June Quarter 1896 in Sunderland - as Pam was alluding to.

Which is why none of us could find a death for her under Newby.

[Peter Goodey]

Yes BMD to me is just Free BMD as I am not a member of any A site.

In that case it would be well worth your while getting to grips with FreeBMD! The image of the page with Isabel MARSHALL's death is there available on FreeBMD for the asking.

You simply have to select "View Images" on the FreeBMD home page.

[esdel]

Sorry, but I'm completely boonswoggled!
If Grannie's name is NEWBY (is it?) why would you be looking for MARXHALL (which, incidentally, is a name I've not come across).

I enjoy puzzles but puzzles with errors in the clues (IF that's the situation here) make it pretty difficult for anyone to find the solutions.

JAP

Yes Jap, the answer is simple
A person's name is what people call her.
All my Grannie's sisters were called Grannie Newby, with christian name added when needed in family talk..
Grannie Newby visited me in 1943 when I was 5 - young enough only to remember how kind she was and her teeth stuck out! So I was missing Grannie Newby and found her in my recent researches.

This lady (that visited me) with your superior knowledge of grown-up conventions you would call Margaret Lennard or Emma Scott - depending which it was
I am pretty sure it was Margaret as it was but 65+ years ago so I can remember (unlike yeterday).
Grannie Isabel Newby never visited me: she was dead.

The x crept into Marshall as it is next to s on my keyboard, and Marshall had been suggested by the kind folk at B-G who I always find so helpful
esdel

[Pam Downes]

GOOD IDEA Hugh
It could be!
I will ghather all the hospitals and nursing homes in Surrey and those in County Durham and email them all.

What on earth for? They won't be able to tell you anything.

I wish I knew what she died of - as maybe she was at a specialist hospital

If you send for the death certificate you'll find out what she died of.

Or maybe, as Pam says, there is a big house "Walton" somewhere.

Her usual address should be on the death certificate, as well as the place of death.

The trouble is this diary of the day-to-day events (when I first crawled, walked, spoke etc) was not for OUR benefit - it was to remind her when she was an old lady! Clearly she knew where and what Walton was and would never forget.

So maybe Pam is right - there was a big house called Walton up in Sunderland? Also as her third christian name was Rochester, Walton could even be near Rochester in what is now the Northhumberland National Forest.

There might have been a big house (or rather I should have said, a house called 'Walton') but as Isabel died in Surrey N E, the house will not have been anywhere up north.
Pam

[esdel]

There might have been a big house (or rather I should have said, a house called 'Walton') but as Isabel died in Surrey N E, the house will not have been anywhere up north.
Pam

Thanks for helping, Pam
As neither Walton-on-Thames nor Walton-on-the-Hill are listed in "N E Surrey" I have done a bit of map-measuring:-
Walton on the Hill is 10 miles SE of Walton on Thames, which is but 10 miles from The Eastern Surrey boundary (with Kent).

Waton on the Hill near Tadworth, is a tiny village, but near it (just hundreds of yards N) is a big walled estate.
When I last drove by, 10 years ago, it was then being usd as a hospice for the care of war-wounded service personnel (Airforce?)
Whether of not that building was once called Walton, it seems that Walton-on-the Hill qualifies as N E Surrey.
But it would be great if anyone at B-G can tell me what that walled estate was being used for in 1936
The web seems to know nothing about that.
many thanks
esdel

[Peter Goodey]

Esdel

You need to get the death certificate, as Pam has already advised. There is absolutely no point speculating about where she died when the answer is so easily obtainable.

[Pam Downes]

I would suggest you get the death certificate first esdel, as the 'big walled estate' probably has no connection to your grandmother.
There is a place called 'Walton Manor' near the junction of Chequers Lane and Ebbisham Lane, but until you have the death certificate you cannot prove any connection to any Walton - regardless of what your mum wrote.
Pam


(Crossposted with Peter.)