One Alice with two lives-maybe

[Dargie]

Brilliant Doug I think that has definitely solved the puzzle. I know the Nellie birth is correct (she died same qrtr) as my cousin's mother was the next child in 1922.

The other one looks correct also because they were married in Southwark.

I knew there would be someone out there who could think logically about this. Of course I was thinking I needed the 1921 census but forgot the births criteria.

Well done ..... I am quite satisfied with that solution.

Now I MUST get out it in the sun and pull some weeds I sure need the exercise having sat at the computer for nearly 8 hours!!!!

Good Grief.

[Dargie]

Yeh.....just read your post Pam. That would be brilliant if you can find the RIGHT girl.

Don't rush I can sit here a little longer!!

[Pam Downes]

Will post this bit first, then I can type the census entry at my own pace, and you can get on with the weeding while I do.

Baptism -
Parish of St Marylebone
page number 109 entry number 232
9 May 1884
Amelia Alice Law
daughter of George and Sarah. George's occupation is tailor.
Clergy - G. E. Thomas
Date of birth - 10 Sept 1882

London Metropolitan Archives reference: P89/MRY1, Item 071

I know I have the right family in 1891 because of George's occupation and the baptism of a brother.
Pam

[Dargie]

See how excited I am!!

So you really think that Amelia Alice turned her name around to Alice Amelia? I wait with bated breath to see what she was called in 1891 . Used Alice Amelia in all the certificates.So inconsiderate of her really.
I wonder why, maybe a joke between her and her cousin(?) the other Alice Amelia.

Lost all interest in the weeding...far too exhausted from chasing Alice all around London.

[Keyboard86]

Ancestry has the following births for Archer with mother Law:

Caroline 1912 June Q Southwark 1d 158

James 1912 June Q Southwark 1d 158

Florence A 1914 June Q Southwark 1d 131

Ada E 1915 Sep Q 1915 Southwark 1d 123

Marcel A 1915 Mar Q Croydon 2a 617

And this for Symons with mother Law

Nellie 1914 Mar Q St Marylebone 1a 911

Purely circumstantial but I think we have two separate couples - obviously without the full names of the mothers we are surmising.

Do any of these names fit with other information?

Just a word of caution the Archer/Law combination for Southwark is still ongoing until at least 1930.

Hope this is solved for you.

Best Regards
Keyboard86

[Dargie]

Hi Keyboard....do you mean Births?

Well that settles it ........two different ladies. I wish Mrs Archer had used her baptised name and not fiddled with it.

I shouldn't talk though my mother was Marjorie Alice but was always known as Alice..... except on her marriage certificate!! Naughty Amelia so inconsiderate.

[Procat]

I think what Keyboard is alluding to is that there may be more than one couple with the Archer/Law combination - and not necessarily the one we have been chasing.

[Pam Downes]

1891
RG12/94 folio 134 page 64
24 Great Barlow Street, Marylebone
George Law, 42, tailor, Marylebone
Johannah (sic), wife, 37, tailoress, Cornwall Lands End
Henry, son, 19, porter, Marylebone
Caroline, daur, 17, needlewoman, Marylebone
Richard, son, 9, scholar, Marylebone
Alice, daur, 7, scholar, Marylebone
Elizabeth, daur, 5, scholar, Marylebone

The family might be good at sewing but not so hot on maths.
Richard's birth registered September quarter 1880. His baptism (same day as Amelia's) -

Baptism -
Parish of St Marylebone
page number 109 entry number 231
9 May 1884
Richard Walter Francis
son of George and Sarah. George's occupation is tailor.
Address - 1 Manchester Mews North
Clergy - G. E. Thomas
Date of birth - 28 June 1880

Baptism of Elizabeth
Parish of St Marylebone
page number 220 entry number 26
24 January 1886
Elizabeth Sarah
son of George and Sarah. George's occupation is tailor.
Address - 1 Manchester Mews North
Clergy - E R Hollings
Date of birth - 19 December 1885

Can't find baptisms for Henry or Caroline.
By the way, use caution with the LMA reference number previously quoted. It may refer purely to the refs used between LMA and A*, as there is a different reference used in the LMA catalogue. Though that may refer to the LMA film number and not the reference for the original registers.

I think this is George's death registration, aged 46, March quarter 1895 Marylebone district.
Makes seaching for the family in 1901 slightly more difficult.
This may be Alice.
RG13/1238 folio 125 page 33
1 The Avenue, Hornsey
Alice Law, servant, s, 17, general servant (domestic), London St Johns Wood
(St Johns Wood is 'Marylebone way' )
No Amelia Laws seem to check out.
Pam

[Dargie]

Oh No!!

Just as well I am not searching for Alice Archer then. Funny how I could not find Arthur or Alice Archer in 1911. No births recorded for them either until 1912.

I could just find single Alice who we think now is a different person.

Thanks for all the help. That's Saturday gone!!

Marj.

[Dargie]

Thank you so much Pam, that is so wonderful. I am sure you have the right girl now.
I think you also have the right girl in 1901 as in 1911 she is also a servant aged 28 born Marylebone.
Great work , thank you so much for all that typing.

Now I will get to work tracing the family back and tell my 6th cousin x times removed that it can only be completely proven by purchase of the marriage certificate to confirm name of father and occupation and if deceased.

Looks good to me however.

Thanks again
Marj.
PS By the way isn't it very early in the morning in Sussex?