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    Hi Pam,
    Much appreciated.
    An oral tradition links New Zealand descendants of the Hunt family originating in Romsley, Worcestershire, and South Rauceby, Lincolnshire. An account of this was published some years ago, but the evidence at best is tenuous and I have endeavoured to verify it from the improved records now available on the Net.
    Abel Hunt of Romsley married Ann Hadley of Halesowen on 23 December 1755. Their seventh child Thomas born in 1767 at Romsley is said to have migrated to Lincolnshire as a carter or teamster and ‘on the way” married Frances Jackson in 1786 at Sleaford. Their son Thomas is said to have been born in 1790 at South Rauceby and to have married Elizabeth Brown (daughter of Jonathon and Margaret) at Helpringham on 14 May 1813. He is described as a carrier and also as a groundkeeper. We know him to have been an expert gardener.
    Thomas (identified on his son’s marriage certificate as a carrier) and Elizabeth had 13 children, all but two being born at South Rauceby. They were:
    Frances and Mary (twins), christened 14 Nov 1813, buried 8 Jan and 15 Jan 1816 at Sleaford
    Thomas, christened 13 Feb 1815, buried 15 Jan 1816 at Sleaford
    Thomas Brown, christened 16 May 1816, buried 29 Jan 1817 at Sleaford
    Frederick, born 1818 at North Scarle, christened 8 Feb 1818 at North Scarle. Frederick married Mary Presswood, born at Swarby (daughter of William and Elizabeth Presswood of South Rauceby) on 20 February 1840 at the Parish Church, Rauceby. Prior to the marriage Mary had two children at the Sleaford workhouse, Mary born 1836 and William christened 22 Jan 1839 (who later was known as William Hunt). William Presswood was identified as a labourer on the marriage certificate. The witnesses were Samuel Waddingham and Elizabeth Presswood (who I take to be Mary’s mother). Who was Samuel Waddingham and what relation? Is he a connection through the Browns?
    Nathan, born 1820 at Eagle, christened 9 Jul 1820 at Eagle, buried 19 Nov 1837 at Eagle.
    Caroline, christened May 1822 at South Rauceby
    Emma, christened 31 May 1824 at South Rauceby
    Naomi, christened 20 Aug 1825 at South Rauceby
    Lot, christened 31 May 1827 at South Rauceby, buried 29 May 1828
    George Lot, christened 26 Mar 1829 at South Rauceby.
    Lavinia, christened 7 Aug 1831 at South Rauceby
    Brown, christened 4 Aug 1833 at South Rauceby.
    Thomas and Elizabeth and all their surviving children including Frederick (and wife Mary and son William) emigrated to New Zealand in July 1840 on the Martha Ridgway. Fortuitously, the 1841 Census provides a cut-off point in that any Hunt recorded in that census can be eliminated.
    Taking the above account, there are several inconsistencies.
    The only Frances Jackson I can find who married a Thomas Hunt did so at Bothamsall, Notts, in 1786. I can find no record of a Thomas and Frances Hunt at either Rauceby or Sleaford, but there is a slew of Hunts of interest cropping up at Swinderby which is close to both North Scarle and Eagle. The 1841 Census has a Frances Hunt aged 80 (who died in 1851) living at Swinderby as a pauper, and Swinderby also has two Jacksons who are farmers and one who is an agricultural labourer who may have been relations.
    The birth of Frederick and Nathan at North Scarle and Eagle respectively fit with the deaths of the previous four children and contemporary accounts of disease brought back from the end of the Napoleonic wars and the extensive famine in rural areas of Britain in 1816. The deaths of the children are recorded as Sleaford which poses a question as to whether the Sleaford workhouse was at that time also an infirmary.
    I am somewhat ignorant as to Anglican church history. Google Earth indicates for Swinderby, Eagle and North Scarle, just how close some of these places are to each other and how relatively small the villages would have been. If they each had churches, were the ministers shared and records might have been centralised or the location misrecorded?
    In the case of South Rauceby, it was again very small in those days, and I wonder whether some of the references to Sleaford were the result of centralised recording. It doesn’t help to have a Thomas and Elizabeth Hunt of similar ages living in both North and South Rauceby, but fortunately the North Rauceby ones are in the 1841 Census and the South Rauceby Hunts are well and truly gone across the water.
    Thanks for your interest and I look forward to any thoughts you may have.
    Bill Carter

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    Bill,
    I'm currently composing a reply, if you have time to hang around a little while.

    Pam

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    Hi Bill,

    I am probably going to destroy all your dreams by saying that some ancestry is hard to trace back much before 1800 purely because of the surnames involved. I have a Sharpe marrying a Wright in about 1794 and have given up on that line. Hunt, although not in the top 10 of most common surnames is still relatively common. And the less said about Brown and Jackson the better.

    Lincolnshire FHS have published marriage indexes for all the deaneries 1700-1837 and there is no Thomas Hunt - Frances Jackson marriage in Lafford deanery between those years. I'll give you the link to all the deaneries in case you need it in the future. https://<a href="https://www" target="...https://www</a>.
    genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Deans/index.html

    If you want further confirmation, this is the Sleaford banns and marriage register for 1786+. First page of the banns register. Marriages begin on image 23. https://<a href="https://www" target="...https://www</a>.
    lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=624573&iid=324180

    I thought I was going to throw a spanner in the works, but you already know of the other Thomas Hunt and Elizabeth (nee Bruff) in Rauceby. This is their marriage in Rauceby 26 June 1812. https://<a href="https://www" target="...https://www</a>.
    lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=631034&iid=378148

    You might notice that that register is labelled 'North and South Rauceby'. This is what Genuki has to say about Rauceby. https://<a href="https://www" target="...https://www</a>.
    genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Rauceby/
    Which is why you have one parish register which covers both parishes.

    (I wrote the above last night, and have now forgotten what I was going to say next!)
    Ah, remembered!

    Because you have only the one church it means that your baptisms 'at South Rauceby' are slightly wrong. The baptisms would have been in plain Rauceby church; the family's 'abode' being South Rauceby. I have to admit that without your 'prompting' I probably wouldn't have picked up on the North and South Rauceby abodes until about 1827/28 when both families had children baptised either on the same image or adjacent images.
    I don't know if you've seen the actual PRs, or if your information is just transcripts which have been passed on to you. This is the first page of the Rauceby baptisms 1813- 1851, though I warn you that a lot of the early pages are extremely faint. https://www.
    lincstothepast.com/Baptisms/631011.record?pt=T

    Nathan Hunt was buried at Rauceby, not Eagle. First page of Rauceby burial PR 1813-1888. https://www.
    lincstothepast.com/Burials/782837.record?pt=T
    Nathan is on image 19, right-hand side.

    Thomas Brown Hunt was buried in Sleaford in 1817. Again, first page of Sleaford burial PR 1813-1844. https://www.
    lincstothepast.com/Burials/628615.record?pt=T
    Thomas will be on image 15. (I think. The site is on a go-very-slow at the moment, so the page isn't loading correctly. )

    A bit more to follow either fairly soon, or later today.

    Pam

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    Hi Bill,
    Well, it wasn't the LLTP site that was slow last night it was my internet connection; hence those peculiar URL 'prefixes' in the first part of my post. Just ignore them, and stick www. in front of the separated part of the URLs.

    Swinderby, North Scarle and Eagle all had their own parish church. For their PRs enter the name of the place followed by PAR1 in the 'with the exact phrase' box found on the 'advanced help' page of LLTP. https://www.
    lincstothepast.com/advanced-search/

    There are many 'layers' in both civil and ecclesiastical 'governance', and I struggled for quite a time trying to get my head round all the terms. (I really was )
    At the bottom on the civil side you have a village/town. At the bottom on the ecclesiastical side there is a parish. They usually have the same name but do not necessarily have the same boundaries.
    As villages/towns grew, the churches became too small for the population so another church (e.g. one attributed to St Frederick) was built and the area adjacent to the church would become the parish of St Frederick, followed by the name of the town or sometimes the name of parish it had split from.
    That's why you have about 16 churches and parishes in Lincoln.
    In the case of the parishes of North Rauceby and South Rauceby something happened to the church of South Rauceby so everyone went to North Rauceby church. Which eventually just became known as Rauceby church although it still serves two parishes, although it's one village.

    Some stuff about most of the towns and villages in Lincolnshire can be found at https://www.
    genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/parishes.html

    Swinderby, Eagle, and North Scarle are all within 4 four miles or less of each other.
    A very good map to use is https://maps.familysearch.org/ as it shows you the outline of all the parishes.

    Pam

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    Hi Pam,
    I can understand why you have received so many thanks. Please accept some more.
    You have clarified a number of things for me, for which I am very grateful. I have enjoyed, but found it somewhat challenging, to have BDMs in one hand while using the other to pilot Google Earth to “drive’ around the areas. It is a useful tool to get a feeling for just how close some of these little villages were at that time.
    The North and South Rauceby churches worried me, as did the Eagle, North Scarle and Swinderby closeness. In a previous researching of family in Yorkshire I was able to use the Bishop’s Transcripts to compare with the parish records.
    I think I will accept the Bothamsall origin of Frances Jackson and her marriage to Thomas Hunt I. The dates fit with the 1841 Census of her as a pauper widow of 80. But I fear I will not be able to prove the Romsley connection.
    I am also satisfied with the Thomas Hunt II and Elizabeth Brown marriage. You have also made sense of the Nathan Hunt death in 1837. I could not see him being still at Eagle as a 17 year-old, unless he had returned there to work for a relation.
    I will start searching the references you have given me and, if I may, will revert to you when I have done so.
    I am, still uncertain as to why with a burial ground at South Rauceby, the four children were buried at Sleaford in 1816 and 1817, unless as I suspect the workhouse was acting as an infirmary during an epidemic. I note that the workhouse admissions for that time have been transcribed. However, I wonder whether the Lincolnshire FHS has any references to that dreadful winter of 1816-17?
    Is it possible anyone has found and transcribed bastardy actions for Sleaford in the 1835 to 1840 period. Mary Presswood had her child Mary in 1836 and William in 1839. She married Frederick Hunt some months later.
    Finally, do you have any thoughts on the identity of the Samuel Waddingham witness. In the previous exchanges with Petraroe it looks as though the Browns and Waddinghams were related.
    Once again, thanks so much for your help and advice.
    In closing, your comment about the North and South Rauceby churches reminded me of a family account of my grandfather chasing the unfortunate Anglican minister down the farm driveway and shouting at him: “It was the tithing of the church that caused my great-grandparents (Thomas and Elizabeth) to leave England.” The minister had called to seek an increase in the annual contribution to the church and struck my grandfather on a bad day. My grandmother waited a few weeks and then invited the minister to tea and it was all smoothed over.
    Bill Carter

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    Hi Bill,
    I haven't forgotten you, but (amongst doing other 'should have been done yesterday' stuff) I'm trying to find some books and fiche I have which might have some information in/on them.
    If you haven't heard from me in a week's time, give me a shout.

    Pam

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    Dear Bill

    I was very excited to find your account of the South Rauceby Hunt family on the British Genealogy.com website.

    I am 99% sure that my X2 great grandmother was Emma Hunt, who emigrated with Thomas, Elizabeth and their family on the Martha Ridgway in 1840, and I have been doing some intensive research into the Hunts in recent weeks. Having found baptisms for all of the children you have listed, except Lavinia, I was delighted to find I was on the right path! There also seems to have been a Charles, possibly born about 1826, who isn't named in the Martha Ridgway passenger list, and I haven't found a baptism for him, though there is a North Rauceby Charles who was probably a cousin. Charles is reputed to have discovered a rich gold bearing reef at Thames.

    You have probably found accounts online about Frederick Hunt's remarkable life on Pitt Island, and also about George Lot Hunt's tragic drowning in Foveaux Strait. There are photographs of Thomas, Elizabeth and Frederick's grave on Findagrave also.

    Emma was the wife of Denis McCarthy, a whaler and later a butcher in Queen Street, Auckland. He died in 1851 and she remarried in 1856 - this time to Thomas Williams, a mariner.

    I am currently waiting for a St Patricks baptism record from Auckland for my great grandmother Elizabeth McCarthy (McCarty). Unfortunately (as in Rauceby) there were two couples in Auckland at the time with the same names - Emma Hunt and Denis McCarthy!

    I am wondering what your connection is to the Hunt family and am interested to see that you live in Paraparaumu!

    Kind regards
    Pam Childs
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    Red face Thomas Hunt

    A quick postscript. The photo I have of Thomas and Elizabeth's grave on Pitt Island gives Thomas's date of death as 9 March 1880 and his age at the time of death as 95 years. This would make his birth year about 1785 or 1786 rather than 1790. I think he might have cheated a little with his age when he emigrated!
    Regards
    Pam

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    Hello Pam,

    Welcome to British-Genealogy.

    Sadly Bill hasn't been back to this site since soon after he joined in 2012. However if he's kept the same email address and has 'message notification' ticked then hopefully he will see your messages.

    I have quickly read through the thread again (and managed to thoroughly confuse myself in the process! - think I should have stuck to reading only Bill's posts), though from what I can gather you aren't (at this time) asking any questions, merely interested in making contact with Bill. If I've misunderstood, please come back and correct me.

    Pam

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    Have a look at Bill's profile. He very sensibly did not keep his email hidden so you could email him directly and hope that the address is still used. He also seems to have had Skype so you could try messaging him that way.

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