Edward MARTIN c.1811 Bermondsey

**Waitabit** · 22-06-2009, 6:05 AM

https://www.british-genealogy.com/for...=Edward+Martin.

These folk got a mention a while back in looking for my Gt.G'Father James MARTIN.

1841 Class: HO107; Piece 1048; Book: 1; Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey; County: Surrey; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 41; Page: 9;
+ 1851 Class: HO107; Piece: 1560; Folio: 115; Page: 30;
the family lived at 3 Wrights Bldgs,Bermondsey

From St.Mary Magdalen Records in my keeping:

1 MARTIN Joseph Edward-.F.Joseph.+ M.Maria b.8th Dec.1809 Ch.21 Jan 1810.
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2 MARTIN Edward.-.F.George..+ M.Maria ..B.19 Dec 1811. Ch.9th Feb. 1812.
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3 MARTIN Edward..-F.Robert..+ M.Sophia. b.7th Apr.1810 Ch.29 Apr. 1810

1Joseph MARTIN & Maria MAIL said to be Edwards Parents..No marriage ever found for them. Rumoured the Family came from E.Grinstead, Maria perhaps from Edenbridge. (censuses) People from LDS Church have put this Family on IGI including 7 Siblings. At least one Martin Family member went to USA. As did the researcher.

2 George MARTIN & Maria MAIL in records as Edwards Parents. Was the Baptismal celebrant celebrating & got the Fathers name wrong?

3.Robert & Sophia MARTIN A researcher found this couple for my Cousin who asked. They married in Shoreditch, several children born Bermondsey. One is Ann.

None of my Gt.G'Dad Edwards Children were named Robert or Sophia, nor down thro' the Families.

A letter written in 1840 to my Gt.G'dads Brother Edward Henry (b.1833) by his "Aunt Ann" hopes he will use the presented Bible thro'out his life, etc. A very religious Lady.

continued....

**Waitabit** · 22-06-2009, 6:22 AM

Edward MARTIN married Elizabeth Rose PETERS, daughter of John PETERS and Sarah, MRS PETERS on 15 Apr 1832 in St.George The Martyr, Southwark.London.

Elizabeth was born on 7 Mar 1809 in Bermondsey, London. England, was christened on 19 Jul 1809 in St.Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey.London, England, and died after 1851. (see previous post 1861 query on link)
They had seven children: Edward Henry, Elizabeth Rose, Charles, William, James, Caroline, and George Albert.

Marriage: 15 Apr 1832, St.George The Martyr, Southwark.London. Witnesses at Edward & Elizabeth's wedding were Joseph Martin & Mary Ann Martin. Not known if they are related to Edward

Mary Ann Martin is names as a dtr of Joseph & Maria MAil.
Married Wallis then Moulton. Later children from Martin & Moulton married.
1851
Edward Martin 39
Elizabeth Martin 41
Edward Martin 18 + Selina Hooper c 1854
Charles Martin 12 + Eliz'th A.J. Wyburgh 1858
William Martin 10 + Eliz'th McDonald 1862
James Martin 7 ..Gt.G'Father + Lucretia LAmbert- married
1863
Caroline Martin 4
George Martin 3 Mo +Charlotte Clapton 1870
Class: HO107; Piece: 1560; Folio: 115; Page: 30;

Eliz'th Rose b.1835 + Edmund Foster Cawley 1852.

Ages vary a little & MARTIN name varies a lot!

I do wish I knew who my Gt.G'Dad EDWARD MARTIN was.

**Raffaele** · 22-06-2009, 7:54 AM

1 MARTIN Joseph Edward-.F.Joseph.+ M.Maria b.8th Dec.1809 Ch.21 Jan 1810.
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2 MARTIN Edward.-.F.George..+ M.Maria ..B.19 Dec 1811. Ch.9th Feb. 1812.
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3 MARTIN Edward..-F.Robert..+ M.Sophia. b.7th Apr.1810 Ch.29 Apr. 1810

Based on the age reported at the census. Totally correct for his older wife, it would suggest that No 2 is the prime candidate.

Hardly proof though.

What occupation did he have. They tended to stay in families. Ag Lab will not work I know but when you need straws to grab at, anything will do.

**Waitabit** · 22-06-2009, 10:00 AM

Edward was a TANNER .the men in the Family stayed in this work if/when they could. Big Leather industry in Bermondsey.

**Raffaele** · 22-06-2009, 11:02 AM

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/rep...x?compid=45270

I did a few google searches Tanners in bermondsey 1810 gave me the one above

I could not find a Tanners Association. Does anyone know of a Worshipful Guild of Tanners or some other ancient club for them.

If we can find one of the three possibles is a Tanner then we really do have a likely candidate

**Waitabit** · 22-06-2009, 11:17 PM

Just popping in quickly to answer this, thanks Raffaele.

Each of the 3 Fathers mentioned here...Joseph..George..& Robert were Tanners! (from St.Mary Magdalen Baptisms.

**Raffaele** · 23-06-2009, 7:57 AM

What a b......r

If we can get a few others to view we can have a vote. Mines with No 2

Leaving a will. I am trying to thnk of anything else.

I guees you could troll the workhouses, debtors courts, criminal courts looking for anything that could give just a minute bit of info.

Have you traced all three on the census to do a comparison.

Hugh Thompson · 23-06-2009, 10:12 AM

Hi Wendy and Raffaele, I was just browsing through a book about Bermondsey at the Internet Archives,
"Bermondsey, its historic memories and associations". Clarke, Edward T.

https://www.archive.org/details/bermondseyitshis00clar

and in it the author stated that the tanners were at the beginning of the reign of Queen Ann, granted a charter for a guild but they never took up the offer, so there's no luck there I'm afraid.
Wendy I'm getting totally confused as to exactly who you're looking for

(senior moments)

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Still looking.
Hugh.

**Raffaele** · 23-06-2009, 12:41 PM

1 MARTIN Joseph Edward-.F.Joseph.+ M.Maria b.8th Dec.1809 Ch.21 Jan 1810.
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2 MARTIN Edward.-.F.George..+ M.Maria ..B.19 Dec 1811. Ch.9th Feb. 1812.
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3 MARTIN Edward..-F.Robert..+ M.Sophia. b.7th Apr.1810 Ch.29 Apr. 1810

Hugh the problem is she has 3 candidates as above. All right age, right place, right trade. One even has a same wifes name and they were inconsiderate enough to live before 1837.

If you can throw some light here I think she would appreciate it.

**Waitabit** · 24-06-2009, 1:41 AM

I do wonder if George was misnamed as Father & Husband to Maria. Mentions of George in 1841 bring up no Tanners.

No further baptisms for them either. If George was really Joseph, it would all work out nicely, with sibs who blend in & names that continued down the years.

G'Dtrs snack break over, I'm needed elsewhere. Just have to mend an error on another post.

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