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    Jan65
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    I have admitted defeat with the last two/three words on this line. It is only the fifth line of the will, and I believe the first few words say:

    "... defender of the faith and in ??? ???? ? ?????..."

    I can't even decide whether there are two, three or four words, and if I read each letter in turn, I come up with:

    c?th yonedy a tely

    which I can't make sense of whichever way I look at it, although each time I do, some of the letters change!

    For context, I reckon that the first few lines of the will say:

    "In the name of god and of the glorious and blessed / Virgin our Lady Sainte Mary and of all the holy / company of Heaven We Henry by the grace / of god King of England Frannce and Ireland / defender of the faith and in ???? ?????? ? ???? / under God the Supreme Hed of the church of / England and Ireland of that name the eight / calling to our remembrance the great gifts ..."

    Hoping that someone can put me out of my misery!

    By the way, I haven't finished the will yet! Have done 19 pages, but keep tiring of it and having a break before going back to it.

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    Defender of the faith and in earth?

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    sueannbowen
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    Hi Janice - what period is this? I have a very handy book that gives examples of old handwriting which might help.

    sue

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    sueannbowen
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    If we are taking the word faith as OK then the th matches Pottokas 'earth' suggestion. Bit difficult to compare with just that line to go on.

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    Jan65
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    Quote Originally Posted by sueannbowen View Post
    If we are taking the word faith as OK then the th matches Pottokas 'earth' suggestion. Bit difficult to compare with just that line to go on.
    I'm fairly sure of the word "faith", but I can't decide what that word says. Earth I think is a good possible, but why "in earth" rather than "on earth"? Unless it DOES say "on earth". But I think that's an "i" rather than an "o".

    I'm going round in circles ...

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    Jan65
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    Quote Originally Posted by sueannbowen View Post
    Hi Janice - what period is this? I have a very handy book that gives examples of old handwriting which might help. sue
    Thank you Sue. This is Henry VIII's will, from the mid 1500s. Any help very welcome! Also - what is your book, and where did you get it?!

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    WILL OF HENRY VIII (1546)[1]



    Henry R. In the name of God and of the glorious and blessed Virgin, our Lady

    Saint Mary, and of all the holy company of heaven, we, Henry, by the grace

    of God king of England, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, and in

    earth immediately under God the supreme head of the Church of England and

    Ireland, of that name the eighth, calling to our remembrance the great gifts

    and benefits of Almighty God given to us in this transitory life, give unto

    Him our most lowly and humble thanks, acknowledging ourself insufficient in

    any part to deserve or recompense the same, but fear that we have not

    worthily received the same....

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrysfamily View Post
    WILL OF HENRY VIII (1546)[1]
    Henry R. In the name of God and of the glorious and blessed Virgin, our Lady

    Saint Mary, and of all the holy company of heaven, we, Henry, by the grace

    of God king of England, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, and in

    earth immediately under God the supreme head of the Church of England and

    Ireland, of that name the eighth, calling to our remembrance the great gifts

    and benefits of Almighty God given to us in this transitory life, give unto

    Him our most lowly and humble thanks, acknowledging ourself insufficient in

    any part to deserve or recompense the same, but fear that we have not

    worthily received the same....
    Thank you terrysfamily, that's more or less what I had transcribed. I'm trying to avoid looking at the official version until I've finished it myself and can then see if I've got it right! All part of the fun!

    At least, if this is the official transcript, it's solved the "earth" problem, so thank you!

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    sueannbowen
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    Cool! It is called 'Examples of English Handwriting 1150 - 1750 by Hilda E.P. Grieve. ISBN number is 0 900360 313 it is an Essex Record Office Publication. Bascially she gives examples of old handwriting and then a transcription, all taken from Essex documents. It demonstrates the style which can be jolly handy! Probably got it from the Essex Records Office.

    Sue
    ps I agree with Pottoka's 'immediately'.

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    terrysfamily
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    for more info on his will see

    https://www.constitution.org/sech/sech_076.txt

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