William Riley Lee....... HElp

[christanel]

At first glance I thought that it might have been Isaac, but it didn't look like that enlarged. I also wonder if the 16 is actually a 'U' - perhaps short for 'unknown' . There is a Latin word meaning illegitimate that I cannot recall at the moment, but then why is it crossed out.

I followed your suggestion ChristineR and went in to google for a Latin/English translation and all of these came up. None of which look like the first letter of the word on the certificate.
nothus, notha, nothum ADJ [XXXDX]
illegitimate (known father); cross-bred, mixed, mongrel; false, spurious;

mamzer, (gen.), mamzeris ADJ [EEXFS]
bastard, illegitimate;

manzer, (gen.), manzeris ADJ [EEQFS]
bastard, illegitimate; (Hebrew);

spurius, spurii N (2nd) M 2 1 M [XXXEO]
bastard, son of an unknown father; illegitimate child, spurious child;

spurius, spuria, spurium ADJ [XXXES]
spurious, false; of illegitimate/irregular/out of wedlock birth;

manzerinus, manzerini N (2nd) C 2 1 C [EEXFM]
bastard, one of illegitimate birth; mongrel (Latham); (Hebrew);

I cannot find Riley and Rebecca or Selina and Rhoda on the 1871 census. In 1881 I did find a Riley Lee age 60 born Middlesex in 1881 in Red Cross Street Kensington along with many boarders. He is a general labourer.
So goodness only knows where they are. I have tried many combinations of names, places, ages etc etc but .....
We are supposed to be going backwards in time so I'll give the 1841 another go.
Christina

[JamieG1782]

been a long time but found this..

1851 Census Chiswick Middlesex * 4 John place*
Riley lovell..........38 b 1813 Hampstead -Skewer maker
Caroline..............28 b 1823 Carshalton Surrey
John..................9 b 1842 Shoreditch
Alfred................7 b 1844 Islington
William Riley....9mths b 1851 Bethnal Green

So would appear that william rileys dad was Riley Lovel (lovell) and his mother was caroline lee??

[christanel]

Hello JamieG1782
Marriages on FreeBMD on the same page
Riley Lovell and Caroline Lee Registration District Bethnal Green March 1/4 1864 vol 1c page 498
So they married quite a few years after the births of their children.

[JamieG1782]

just noticed though (to my disappointment)

William Riley....9mths b 1851 Bethnal Green
and I have william Riley born in 1875 (but only from the 1901 census, so could this still be him?)

Also appears again


1861 Census Chiswick Middlesex *4 Johns place*
Riley Lovel..........48 b 1813 Surrey -labour
Caroline.............38 b 1823 Surrey
Wiliam...............11 b 1850 Chiswick
Constance............ 6 b 1855 Chiswick
Laurie................4 b 1857 Chiswick
George H..............2 b 1859 Chiswick

but gon in the next 2


Also found this
1841 Census Bethnal Green Hackney Rd Ossulstone
Rilea Lovel...........25 b 1816 Middlesex -Cutler
Caroline Lee..........20 b 1821 Middlesex - (parents Joseph b 1797 & Susan Lee)
Pila lee..............15 b 1826 Middleex (M) <- Riley??

[JamieG1782]

also I'm in contact with the grand daughter of william riley and waiting to hear if she knows williams parents names but seem to be finally making some progress..

[JamieG1782]

William Riley b 27th June.....C 14th July 1850 - St Philip Bethnal Green Tower Hamlets -Brazier

[christanel]

1871 RG10/1320/74/17
John's Place Chiswick
Riley Lovel 50 Pedlar born Hampstead
Caroline 48 Hawker Carshalton Surrey
Constance 16 hawker Turham? Green
Laura M 14 Hawker
George 12 scholar

[JamieG1782]

sorry for ALL the posts just checked my info on 1901 census again and it says abt 1845 so 1850 fits!!

Looks like I may of finally found his father!!

[JamieG1782]

25 years difference seems a long shot, even for a census taker guessing??

[JamieG1782]

ignore post 28 ... wrong lee.... must be tired