I am trying to trace an ancestor, Richard Folds/foulds born c 1786. He had two sons, JOHN and EMMANUEL. Richard was a Cotton weaver, his son, Emmanuel a Loom overlooker and later a furniture dealer. They lived around the Colne area.
Emmanuel was my great great grandfather but I'm trying to trace his brother John. He dropped off the face of the earth, I think? Where do I start?
Richard must have died sometime but I don't know when.
Also, can anyone tell me who was the mother of these boys, I can find no reference to her, there is a Margaret, born 1811 (is she his daughter or second wife? The boys were born in 1833 (JOHN) and 1837( Emmanuel)
Please
KAte
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12-04-2008, 10:47 PM #1Kate AllanGuest
RICHARD FOLDS/FOULDS COLNE, LANCS.,
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12-04-2008, 10:54 PM #2Jan1954Guest
Hi Kate,
Sorry, but there are more questions:
- When was the last sighting of Richard and John?
- Where were they?
- Did John & Emmanuel have any younger siblings? (I was thinking that, if they did, and we could trace the birth registration, that would provide their mother's name)
- Have you found their baptisms?
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12-04-2008, 11:26 PM #3Kate AllanGuest
This is where it gets confusing
On the 1841 census Richard is listed as living in a house with Margaret 30, John 8 and Emmanuel 4, He is listed as being 55
By 1851 there is a Richard living in a house with Martha 33 and a Betty 5, His date of birth is listed as 1788 or thereabouts.
Is this the same person? I did find his birth date mentioned on the NON-Conformist BMD yesterday. I don't think they were church goers!
John Foulds last seen in 1841 in Great Marsden,
Sorry to be so scrambled!
Kate
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12-04-2008, 11:34 PM #4Jan1954Guest
Richard: it may well be that they are one and the same person. The 1841 census rounded ages down to the nearest 5 years. However, census ages can also be wildly inaccurate (I have one whose age went down by 20 years...)
However, what relationship are Martha and Betty to him in 1851?
Non-conformists: these were probably bigger church-goers than those people who attended the parish church. Far stricter rules - or so I've found with my Baptists!
Do you have the census references for 1841 and 1851, please?
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12-04-2008, 11:56 PM #5Kate AllanGuest
Census references as follows
1841 census
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 509; Book: 1; Civil Parish: Whalley; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 34; Folio: 41; Page: 16; Line: 19;
1851 census
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2254; Folio: 384; Page: 24; Cheers, Kate
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13-04-2008, 12:00 AM #6Jan1954Guest
Thanks for those, Kate.
However, this will have to wait until tomorrow (unless someone else picks it up) as it's gone 01:00am and I need some sleep!
Thanks for the references.
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13-04-2008, 1:52 PM #7Jan1954Guest
Right. Try to stay with me on this as I'm quite muddled myself
I think that the Richards that you have found in 1841 and 1851 are 2 different people.
Starting in 1851 and working back...
1851:
Richard is living as Head, widower with unmarried daughter Martha and grandaughter Betty.
1841:
First we have the reference that you found with Richard living with Margaret, John and Emmanuel. Richard's surname is Folds - without the "u"
However, there is also a Richard Foulds living in Newhouse Yard, Colne with Mary (30), Martha (25), Isabella (25), Alice (20 and Elizabeth (4)
I've searched for a suitable Richard in 1851 with the surname Foulds as well as Folds but have not been able to find one. I couldn't see Emmanuel either. However, there are more John Foulds than you can shake a stick at, any one of which may be yours.
So, not much help there, I'm afraid, apart from possible elimination.
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