William Rogers

[andrewfr]

Just came across in https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A...=2008-06-18#-1
a Removal Order:

[no title] QSP/56/1/8 17 February 1774

Contents:
John Rogers and wife Elizabeth; Campton to Northill [see QSP/56/2/15]

Still confused

Andrew

[davidcarca]

The BLARS online catalogue at https://blars.adlibsoft.com/wwwopac.e...49648&LIMIT=50 in an 1821 lease and release refers to John Rogers as a cooper

The same catalogue https://blars.adlibsoft.com/wwwopac.e...03805&LIMIT=50 shows that the Removal Order was successfully appealed so they went back to Campton. Even more confusing! But I think Campton, Meppershall, Northill etc are red herrings so far as the Potton John Rogers is concerned. The Removal Order does show that John Rogers must have had a link with Northill - possibly he was the John Rogers who was baptised there in 1694

Were any children named in his will?

I think the first priority is to check the Croydon marriage entry to see if there are any clues eg parishes of residence and witnesses, who might be siblings.

David

David

[davidcarca]

Hi Andrew

How many surviving children were named in the will? Working forwards from baptisms and burials I can only find one, John.

Ann Rogers married Ephraim Page in 1798 at Biggleswade; both were of this parish. Ephraim Page was buried at Biggleswade on 1 Oct 1820 age 46. There’s a burial of an Ann Page in Biggleswade on 13 Dec 1837 age 68, which if it’s the right Ann and if the age is accurate gives a birth of 1769. So Hannah Rogers baptised 1772 in Campton falls fairly close. There’s no marriage in Campton of an Ann/Hannah Rogers that would fit, BUT there is a burial of a Hannah Rogers on 27 Aug 1789, which would need checking to see if there is any additional detail. Ephraim Page doesn’t appear to have been baptised in Beds. Might his birthplace, it it can be found, give a clue – ie did he meet Ann in Biggleswade, or were they both from another parish?

Ignore the “born about 1777” relating to Ann when she married Ephraim Page. It’s a member submission, therefore unreliable, and LDS members when they don’t know, or can’t be bothered to do any research, deduct 21 from the marriage year in the case of women, and 25 for men, to arrive at a birth year, and the birthplace is automatically where the marriage took place - on the basis that it’s a well known fact that all men marry at age 25, and women at 21! Ignore any dates on the IGI in member submissions, that start “about”. It’s an uneducated guess!

I was wondering if William and Jemima, as mentioned by Juliet, might provide a clue, as I can’t find a burial of William, nor what happened to Jemima after William died. Where did they live? As there doesn’t appear to be a bequest to any children of William, and as there are no baptisms of children to William and Jemima on the IGI, perhaps they were childless. Would John have left a bequest to Jemima if she had remarried? Possibly not.

Sorry, but I still don’t buy the Campton theory. Without supporting evidence from parish registers it’s pure speculation. It’s always difficult to prove that a person married in one parish was the one baptised in another parish, particularly when the parishes are some distance apart. The only connection to Campton is that the name and birth are about right, and John in Campton had a sister Ann/Hannah. How many Johns in the country didn’t have a sister named Ann!!!

It needs reference to:
Croydon parish register to get the marriage details
Meppershall parish register to get the 1777 marriage details
Biggleswade parish register to get the names of the witnesses at the marriage of Ann Rogers
Campton parish register for details of the burials of John in 1779 and Hannah in 1789

Regards

David

[JPBeds]

Hello Andrew & David

There is no additional info on the 1798 Biggleswade marriage of Ann Rogers to Ephraim Page. If you want the witnesses you'll have to go to see the microfilm at Bedford Archives.

The 1777 Meppershall marriage of John Rogers to Elizabeth Devonshire gives us no further info.

However on to Campton; the Hannah Rogers baptised 8 Nov 1772 was daughter of William & Mary Rogers, and it was her (daughter of W & M, labourer) that was buried there on 27 Aug 1789.

*** David interestingly the next burial on 21 Sept 1789 was Joseph son of James & Eliz Dumville.

These William & Mary Rogers had been baptising children at Campton way
back to 1753

The 1779 burial just says John Rogers

Regards John

[andrewfr]

Dear John,

Many thanks for the information. I will not be in England for some months so detailed research will have to wait, unless some kind person out there has a chance to look at the microfilm for me.... (Is it possible to buy copies?)

Seems I will have to go back to the hunt to try to find where old John (In his will he is called John "The Elder" Rogers) came from.

If you would like a copy of the will please let me have an email address to which I can send it.

In case anyone has a theory: I am also trying to find the source of the "Race" in my name. It started with John's grandson James Race Rogers, son of James. There are quite a few Race's in Potton at the time, but I have not yet found one who is connected.



Best regards,

Andrew Francis Race Rogers

[andrewfr]

Having had the Campton theory shot down I am now considering the possibility that John "The Elder" came from Cambridgeshire. It is probable that he married Elizabeth White (09 Nov 1778, Croydon Cum Clapton, Cambridge). Our family also has a connection with Cambridge, some members buried in Gamlingay, John's g. grandson William Race married a girl whose family came from Bassingbourne and others who lived in Cambridge itself.

I am going to try to see some microfiche at the LDS in Bangkok...

BTW: I am supposed to meet my 3rd cousin once removed, Andrew Rogers, tomorrow. Found partly through this site...

Best regards,

Andrew Francis Race Rogers

[davidcarca]

Having done some more work on the Rogers, and having been provided with a copy of the will referred to by Andrew, I now think that his John Rogers 1755-1828 was a half brother of Gill's John Andrew Rogers 1787-after1851. Their father, also John Rogers, had 19 children by two wives, in Bourn Cambs, and Biggleswade and Southill, Beds. The family looks something like this:

I. John ROGERS was born circa 1733. He married Rachel NEWNHAM or NEWMAN on 22 Jul 1754 at Bourn, Cambs. He married Elizabeth DARLOW, daughter of Thomas DARLOW and Susannah (--?--), on 20 Sep 1773 at Bourn, Cambs. He appeared on the census of 1801 at Broom, Southill, Beds. He died in Feb 1806 at Bourn, Cambs. He was buried on 24 Feb 1806 at Bourn, Cambs, age 73.

A. John ROGERS was christened on 17 Aug 1755 at Bourn, Cambs. He
married Elizabeth WHITE on 9 Nov 1778 at Croydon cum Clapton, Cambs.
He married Jane CRAWLEY on 30 Oct 1794 at Potton, Beds. In his will
dated 31 May 1828 bequests were made to his grandchildren John,
Elizabeth, and Jane Rogers, children of his late son James; his son John
Rogers of Cambridge; to Jemima Rogers of Baldock, the widow of his late
son William; to Mary Rogers, now living with him; his sister Ann Page,
widow; his mother in law (=step mother) Elizabeth Rogers, widow.
Executors son John and grandson John. He died in Dec 1829 at Potton,
Beds. He was buried on 13 Dec 1829 at Potton, Beds, age 75.

1. William ROGERS was christened on 28 Aug 1779 at Potton, Beds. He
married Jemima BARBER on 2 Mar 1802 at Potton, Beds. He died before
May 1828.

2. Catharine ROGERS was christened on 21 Mar 1781 at Potton, Beds.
She died in Apr 1805 at Potton, Beds. She, age 24, was buried on 25
Apr 1805 at Potton, Beds.

3. John ROGERS was christened on 11 Jun 1783 at Potton, Beds. He
married Ann THOMPSON on 31 Jan 1803 at St Edward, Cambridge.

4. Elizabeth ROGERS was christened on 5 Apr 1785 at Potton, Beds.
She died in Dec 1786 at Potton, Beds. She, infant, was buried on 28
Dec 1786 at Potton, Beds.

5. James ROGERS was christened on 11 Feb 1788 at Potton, Beds. He
married Mary MEEKS on 15 Jun 1812 at Potton, Beds. He died in Jul
1819 at Potton, Beds. He, age 31, was buried on 25 Jul 1819 at
Potton, Beds.

6. Elizabeth ROGERS was christened on 14 Jun 1790 at Potton, Beds.
She died in Jul 1802 at Potton, Beds. She, age 13, was buried on 14
Jul 1802 at Potton, Beds.

7. Thomas ROGERS was christened on 2 Jun 1792 at Potton, Beds. He
died in Apr 1802 at Potton, Beds. He, age 10, was buried on 16 Apr
1802 at Potton, Beds.

B. Robert ROGERS was christened on 29 Aug 1756 at Bourn, Cambs. He
died in Jun 1766 at Kingston, Cambs. He was buried on 18 Jun 1766 at
Bourn, Cambs.

C. Newman ROGERS was christened on 14 May 1758 at Bourn, Cambs. He
died in Mar 1767 at Kingston, Cambs. He was buried on 21 Mar 1767 at
Bourn, Cambs.

D. Sarah ROGERS was christened on 8 Jun 1760 at Bourn, Cambs. She
died in Nov 1761 at Bourn, Cambs. She was buried on 15 Nov 1761 at
Bourn, Cambs.

E. Alice ROGERS was christened on 16 May 1762 at Bourn, Cambs. She
was buried on 30 Nov 1775 at Bourn, Cambs.

F. Gregory ROGERS was christened on 8 Jan 1764 at Bourn, Cambs.

G. Rachel ROGERS was born on 22 Dec 1765 at Bourn, Cambs.

H. Sarah ROGERS was christened on 20 Mar 1768 at Kingston, Cambs.

I. Ann ROGERS was christened on 30 Apr 1770 at Kingston, Cambs.


J. Elizabeth ROGERS. She was christened on 28 Dec 1777 at Bourn,
Cambs. She married Joseph CHEW on 31 Jul 1797 at Southill, Beds. She
married William SAYWELL on 30 Dec 1818 at Bourn, Cambs.

1. Joseph CHEW was christened on 21 Jul 1799 at Southill, Beds. He
married Susannah TRIPLOW on 12 Oct 1818 at Bassingbourn, Cambs.

2. Elizabeth CHEW was christened on 21 Jul 1799 at Southill, Beds.

3. John CHEW was born on 7 Jul 1805 at Bourn, Cambs. Illegitimate

4. Catherine CHEW was christened on 14 May 1807 at Bourn, Cambs.
Illeg.

5. William CHEW was also known as SAYWELL. He was christened on 12
Jul 1812 at Bourn, Cambs. Illegitimate

6. Jane CHEW was christened on 12 Jun 1814 at Bourn, Cambs.
Illegitimate

7. Rachel SAYWELL was born in 1821 at Bourn, Cambs. She married
David CHAPMAN on 25 Dec 1847 at Bourn, Cambs.

K. Thomas ROGERS was christened on 25 Jul 1779 at Biggleswade, Beds.
Recognizances: Thos. Rogers, Broom, Southill, yeo.; bastardy. with
Martha Sale (presumably Martha Sarl). 1798. He married Martha SARL,
daughter of Margaret SARL, on 15 May 1798. He died in Mar 1805 at
Southill, Beds. He was buried on 20 Mar 1805 at Southill, Beds.

1. Susanna ROGERS was born in 1798. She died in Aug 1798. She was
buried on 7 Aug 1798 at Southill, Beds.

2. John ROGERS married Elizabeth (--?--). He was christened on 3
Nov 1799 at Southill, Beds. He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851
at 4 Margarets Row, St Pancras, London.

3. Samuel ROGERS was christened on 30 Nov 1800 at Southill, Beds.

4. Jane ROGERS was christened on 4 Sep 1803 at Southill, Beds.

5. Mary ROGERS was christened on 2 Jan 1805 at Southill, Cambs.

L. Susan ROGERS was christened on 31 Aug 1781 at Biggleswade, Beds.

M. Robert ROGERS was born on 17 Mar 1785 at Biggleswade, Beds. He
married Etty ALLEN on 20 Jan 1812 at Dry Drayton, Cambs. Removal order
from St. Clement, Cambridge: Robert Rogers to Longstanton, All Saints 3
March 1824. He died in Feb 1827 at Long Stanton, Cambs. He was buried
on 14 Feb 1827 at Bourn, Cambs.

1. George ROGERS was christened on 5 Jul 1812 at Dry Drayton, Cambs.

2. Rebecca ROGERS was christened on 13 May 1815 at Gamlingay, Cambs.

N. John Andrew ROGERS was christened on 19 Feb 1787 at Southill, Beds.
He married Mary CHAPMAN on 1 Mar 1808 at Dry Drayton, Cambs.

1. Francis Chapman ROGERS was christened on 8 May 1808 at Dry
Drayton, Cambs.

2. Samuel ROGERS was christened on 21 Apr 1811 at Dry Drayton,
Cambs.

3. Maria ROGERS was christened on 3 Jul 1814 at Dry Drayton, Cambs.

4. Caroline ROGERS was christened on 14 Apr 1816 at Dry Drayton,
Cambs.

5. William ROGERS was christened on 10 Jan 1819 at Dry Drayton,
Cambs.

6. Jane ROGERS was christened on 13 Jan 1822 at Dry Drayton, Cambs.

7. Rachel ROGERS was christened on 6 Feb 1825 at Dry Drayton, Cambs.

8. Elizabeth ROGERS was christened on 6 Feb 1825 at Dry Drayton,
Cambs. She was buried in 1830 at Dry Drayton, Cambs.

9. Mary ROGERS was born on 1 Jul 1827 at Dry Drayton, Cambs. She
died in 1830 at Dry Drayton, Cambs.

O. Samuel ROGERS was christened on 8 Feb 1789 at Southill, Beds. He
died in Sep 1792 at Southill, Beds. He was buried on 24 Sep 1792 at
Southill, Beds.

P. William ROGERS was christened on 16 Oct 1791 at Southill, Beds. He
served in the 7th Foot regiment, the Royal Fusiliers. He served in the
Peninsular War, New Orleans, France and Ireland. He married Mary Ann
GORDON circa 1837, possibly in the Channel Islands.

1. Julia Ann ROGERS was born in 1838 at Cambridge.

2. Arthur Samuel ROGERS was born in 1846 at Cambridge.

3. William ROGERS was born in 1850 at Cambridge.

4. Mary Ann ROGERS was born in 1852 at Cambridge.

Q. Catherine ROGERS. She was born in 1793 at Broom, Southill, Beds.
She married David BOWD alias DARLOW, son of John DARLOW and Mercy
BOWD née PATMAN, on 6 Jul 1813 at Bourn, Cambs. She was buried on 9
Jan 1861 at Bourn, Cambs.

1. Mercy DARLOW was christened on 20 Jul 1828 at Bourn, Cambs.

R. Lydia ROGERS was christened on 28 Jan 1795 at Southill, Beds. She
died in Jan 1795 at Southill, Beds. She was buried on 1 Feb 1795 at
Southill, Beds.

S. Jane ROGERS was christened on 26 Nov 1796 at Southill, Beds.

David