Dale and Vale were sthe stage names of my Great Grand parents John and Florence McMurray, they did dancing and comedy routines in British Music Halls between aprx. 1904 - 1912. My GGF also did a solo act under the stage name James Kennady. They were on bills with Gracie Graham, Chung Ling Soo, Myrna Loy etc. Has anyone any information?
thank you,
Cathie Joy Young
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27-11-2007, 12:14 AM #1catjoyGuest
Dale and Vale/ John and Florence McMurray
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27-11-2007, 12:20 AM #2
Cathie, have you seen this?
Census: 1901: RG13/254 Folio 50 Page 21
Address: 11 Arlington St., Clerkenwell, London
-- John McMurray Head M 25 Music Hall Artist [born] Holborn London
-- Florence do Wife M 23 do do do [born] Islington do
-- John A do Son S 2 [born] Clerkenwell do
Trish
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27-11-2007, 12:27 AM #3
Your GGF in 1891:
Census: 1891: RG12/224 Folio 150 Page 36
Address: 11 Wilmington Sqr, Holborn, London
-- William McMurray Head M 49 Lace paper maker [born] Ireland
-- Jane E. A. do Wife M 47 Milliner [born] London St. George's Hanover Sqr
-- William I. do Son S 20 Carpenter + Joiner [born] do Holborn
-- John A. do do 15 Solicitor's Clerk [born] do do
HTH,
Trish
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27-11-2007, 12:48 AM #4
Possible marriage record for your GGF and GGM:
1897 3rd Quarter Holborn London Volume 1b Page 1583
John Alexander McMurray
Nellie Florence A Strongman OR Florence Woodcock
HTH,
Trish
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27-11-2007, 12:55 AM #5
I don't see them in 1881 but here they are in 1871, before your GGF's birth:
Census: 1871: RG10/376 Folio 14 Page 22
Address: 21 Leather Lane, Ely Rents and Hatton Garden and Saffron Hill, London
-- William McMurray Head mar 29 Stationer [born] Ireland
-- Jane E A " Wife mar 27 Milliner [born] London
-- Jane E. " daur 2 [born] "
-- William J. " Son 7 mo. [born] "
-- Ellen Cook Servt unm 18 Gen Servt [born] "
Trish
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27-11-2007, 1:17 AM #6
Possible marriage record for your GGGF and GGGM, William and Jane:
1866 2nd Quarter West London, London Volume 1c Page 82
William McMurray
Jane E A Johnson
Possible GGGM in 1861 census:
Census: 1861: RG9/186 Folio 21 Page 50
Address: 26 Verulam [spelling?] St., Holborn St. Andrew, Middlesex
-- Tryman Ward Head Mar 78 [born] Norfolk
-- Jane E A Johnson gd dau Um 17 [born] Hanover Sqr
Possible GGGM in 1851:
Census: 1851: HO107/1514 Folio 81 Page 24
Address: 40 Lay [or Tay] Hall, Holborn St. Andrew, Middlesex
-- Joseph Johnson Head Mar 31 boot???der [born] Middlesex
-- Hannah Johnson Wife Mar 29 [born] do St George
-- Joseph Johnson Son 8 [born] do St. Andrew
-- Jane Johnson Daughter 7 [born] do do
-- George Johnson Son 5 [born] do do
Possible GGGGF Tryman Ward:
Census: 1851: HO107/1514 Folio 258 Page 3
Address: 87 Leather Lanes, Holborn St. Andrew, Middlesex
-- Tryman Ward Head Married 66 Fishmonger [born] Norfolk Snoring
-- Ann Ward Wife Married 56 [born] Middlesex Clerkenwell
-- Joseph Ward Son Married 23 Fishmonger [born] Middlesex St. Andrews
-- Elizabeth Ward Daughter Unmar 18 [born] Middlesex St. Andrews
-- Maryanne Ward Daughter in law Married 23 [born] Westminster St. Clements
-- Sarah Ann Ward Grandaughter 8 months [born] Middlesex St. Andrews
-- Joseph Ward Grandson 2 [born] Middlesex St. Andrews
-- Harriet Pinniger Servant Unmar 16 House Servant [born] Surrey Christ Church
And in 1841:
Census: 1841: HO107/670 Book 1 Folio 32 Page 17
Address: St. Andrew Holborn [Above The Bars], Middlesex
-- Tryman Ward 55 Fishmonger N [for No, not born in same county]
-- Ann do 45 Y
-- Ann do 20 Y
-- Joseph do 14 Y
-- Elizabeth do 8 Y
-- Charlotte do 3 Y
[BTW, future house servant Harriet Pinniger is 7 years old and living next door with her parents]
Trish
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28-11-2007, 3:29 AM #7catjoyGuest
thank you Trish
Thanks trish I do have some of these. Sent you a message.
Cathie Joy
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