Vickers or Sirman,

[Geoffers]

part 10.....
1901 census (dwelling next to Joseph)
f14 p19 sch.122
Newlands
Walter SIRMAN, hd, mar, 36, labourer for coal merchant, bn Cogges
Elizabeth Sirman, wf, mar, 30, bn Bainton, Glos
Elsie Sirman, dau, 8, bn Cogges
Alfred Sirman, son, 4, bn Cogges

Then going to parish registers

Cogges Parish Register - bapt 25 Nov 1900
Joseph James SIRMAN son of Joseph Robert & Selina, father a labourer

Witney St.Mary Parish Register - bapt 14 Feb 1873
Joseph Robert SURMAN son of Joseph & Mary Ann, father a Brewer's man

continued....

[Geoffers]

part 11.....

Witney St.Mary Parish Register - marr 4 Sep 1869 after banns
Joseph SURMAN, sm, ofa, drayman, son of John Surman a shepherd
Sarah Ann PAINTIN, sw, ofa, dau of Edward Paintin, a labourer
wit: James WALKER, Edward PAINTIN, Hannah SURMAN

Cogges Parish Register - bapt 8 Aug 1841
Joseph SIRMAN son of John & Mary, father a labourer

The 1851 census then gives the birthplace of John Sirman
HO107/1731 f599 p16 sch.63
Cogges
John SIRMAN, hd, mar, 46, ag.lab, bn Stanton Harcourt
Mary Sirman, wf, mar, 47, bn Cogges
Ann Sirman, dau, 24, bn Cogges
John Sirman, son, 15, ag.lab, bn Cogges
William Sirman, son, 11, ag.lab, bn Cogges
Joseph Sirman, son, 9, scholar, bn Cogges
Robert Sirman, son, 3, bn Cogges
Joseph WALKER, Father-in-law, wid, 80, bn South Leigh
continued...

[Geoffers]

part 12.....

Further from parish registers

Cogges Parish Register - marr 14 May 1826
John SIRMAN, sm, otp,
Mary WALKER, sw, otp
wit: Thomas Sirman and Silpah PRATLEY

Stanton Harcourt Parish Register - bapt 13 Apr 1806
John SURMAN son of James & Sarah, born the same day

Stanton Harcourt Parish Register - 9 Jun 1803 by licence
James SIRMAN, otp
Sarah CLACK, otp
wit: Sophia DAVIS, Martha JOHNSON

continued...

[Geoffers]

part the last.....

Stanton Harcourt Parish Register - bapt 16 Jan 1778
James SIRMAN son of Thomas & Ann

Stanton Harcourt Parish Register - marr 12 Dec 1771
Thomas SIRMAN, widr, otp
Ann ALDSWORTH, sw, otp
wit: William SESSIONS, Willam CRUTCH

Stanton Harcourt Parish Register - bapt 11 Feb 1746
Thomas SIRMAN son of Thomas & Ann, 19 days old

The above is just the bare bones, there's lots more you can find by digging around. Do not take the above as accurate - apart from census returns, I've typed up handwritten notes of a fiche copy of a transcript of a register. There's an awful lot of places that an error could have been made (including me). Use the above only as a guide on where to look.

But, do look I only had a few minutes to spare, there are lots and lots of Sirmans in Cogges and Stanton Harcourt - plus the other names are all familiar to me as being local. Anyway enough of my ramblings; I hope this gives you a start and some ideas. If there's owt not clear, ask

Geoffers

[nikki sager]

Thankyou so much for your help.i have plenty of information to start sorting through and i have a good start.i think i need to establish the correct spelling of the surname as ive just discovered today after a conversation with my grandmother that at some point after marriage,they slightly changed the spelling of their name!but you have given me plenty to start with.

[nikki sager]

i have some information on John Hedley Vickers and Emily now.information I found in the 1901 census,John Hedley Vickers was born in 1870,birthplace was High Wycombe.At the time of the census he was registered as being in Witney civil parish,Ecclesiastical parish Witney St Mary.Emily Vickers,wife,born 1876,born in Oxfordshire,town Witney.i also have date for their marriage,September 1895.I know these are exactly who im looking for.So now the search begins for Emilys maiden name and other details.I have no dates for Sirman or Surman yet but hopefully soon after using your advice

[Geoffers]

i think i need to establish the correct spelling of the surname

I don't think this is something with which you need to concern yourself too greatly. Amongst those who were literate, standards of spelling varied greatly.

The present spelling of surnames was not really finally fixed until the start of the 20th century.

I suggest that you do consider any name which may phonetically match Sirman. In Oxfordshire I know that Surman occurs and have a vague recollection of seeing Serman.

Geoffers

[Mike Fisher]

Hi

On tuesday last I went to a talk on DNA profiling and a gentleman there was from the S?RM?N one name study who I am sure would be able to help you with your SIRMAN ancestors

Mike Fisher in foggy Droitwich

[Hedley Owens]

Hi Nikki,

I have been looking for John Hedley Vickers and have read your messages. I have little information about this person but I think I might know his occupation?. Do you have any information relating to this or if he had travelled ?

Regards

Hedley Owens

[Procat]

Hi Hedley,

Nikki hasn't been active on the forum since 2006 (if you click on her name and check her profile you can see this information to the right of the screen).

You could try sending her an email or private message.