James SMITHIESj

[Waitabit]

This Baptism may apply to the chap I mentioned above

James Smithies -Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Mar 1800
Parish: Middleton, St Leonard
Father: John Smithies
Mother: Sarah Smithies

[helachau]

1841 Census (ref HO107 544 12/8 8) - SMITHERS

The name has been crossed through - could be SMITHERS or quite possibly SMITHIES - James is a Weaver. But next door are a John and Sarah Smithies - possible candidates for the parents of the James Smithies identified in post#11

[helachau]

The 1841 family transcribed as SMITHERS wd appear to be the 1851 SMITHIES family at #10 above.

[Raffaele]

Whilst not wishing to be difficult or offensive I have to comment that this looks to me at first glance to be grapsing at straws.

The James Smithies found on the census do not look like the James Smithies married in 1842.
As I found on a census review there are a number of suitable James Smithies.

I think the author needs to tell us how he got back to James Smithies married in 1842.

The birth in 1840 looks right for James Smithie on the census but the James married 1842 could have been his son.

[helachau]

The 1841 SMITHERS/SMITHIES reference was intended to identify that James with a John and Sarah next door - all of which could fit the baptism of 1800.
Wasn't treating this James as the subject of the '42 marriage.

[Waitabit]

Oh dear, thanks guys, I think we really need to chat with Steve18 & find out who if any of the above are definitely his people.

[steve18]

H1! Absolutely Brilliant! Yes this looks like James Smithies Father John Smithies and he was married to
a Sarah same as his Father.I have John Smithies in Merchant Navy Seaman Records 1835-1941
Birth year 1800 MILITARY SERVICE But I wonder what conflict he saw? or was in? As far as I know there
is a village called TONGE in Middleton and this is an Ancestral Village and Most of the people there were
SMITHIES and they were Silk Weavers.There was also a Tonge Hall which set on fire a few years ago and
Archeologists are digging around it at this moment in time.I have a William Smithies place of birth
Tonge Hall in 1752 but I do not know yet if he was a relation.Nealy all Smithies were Baptised,Married
or Buried at St Leonards in the Parish of Middleton.Some Smithies married HOPWOODS.I have a James
Smithers born 1787 in Tonge who enlisted in the 1st Royal Dragoons in July 1804 who fought at Waterloo
where he was wounded and taken prisoner.It does get quite addictive doesn't it? Again thank you for your
help.I will now look for Johns Marriage to Sarah
Best regards
steve18

[steve18]

H!! As I stated earlier As I understand it Tonge was an Ancestral Village in Middleton and they were all Silk Weavers
And nearly all the people were Smithies so it wouldn't be unusual to have a person with the same
name living next door but it sure makes it hard if you are looking for your relatives as you could easily
slip up and make a mistake and it would not be your Family Line?
regards
steve18

[steve18]

Hi! Raffaele, How I got back to James Smithies in 1842.I have John Smithies and Mary Loftus Marriage
Certificate 14th Jan 1893 married at St Wilfreds in Hulme Lancashire on the Certificate is his Father
James Smithies (deceased) who was a mill overlooker .There must of been a mill in or near Middleton in
Lancashire .Mary Loftus I found her Baptism 25th Jan 1871 in Tuam in Galway.Her Fathers name was John
Loftus But her Mothers name was Ellen Greahan I can not find a Marriage so I assume she was illegitimate
but took her Fathers Name? a Mystery?
regards
steve18

[steve18]

H1! I have been looking for weeks for John and Sarahs Marriage I also posted it on Ancestryaid Looking for John smithies
and Sarahs Marriage.I have found the Baptism you mention above on lds site and it says 23rd March 1800
at St Leonards in Middleton James Smithies Son of James Smithies NOT JOHN ? and Sarah now I am looking
for James and Sarahs Wedding
Regards
STEVE18