SMITH from Liverpool and St. Pancras

[Mike B]

Hi All
I am trying to find any info regarding the Ancestry of James Edward Smith Born in Liverpool in 1879.
He was the son of Henry Parker Smith (bn 1839) and Mary Windle or Wendle (bn 1851) Henry was born in St Pancras and I think was the son of Henry and Ann Smith. Mary was the daughter of Jane Windle / Wendle who was born in Armagh Ireland in 1816. I havent found her father yet.

James Edward lived in Liverpool with Catherine Elizabeth Williams who was born in Wales or Angelsey in 1878ish. They married in Liverpool in 1905. She was the daughter of William Williams.

Hope to hear from you all soon
Mike

[Megan Roberts]

1871 Census Piece 3777 Folio 21 Page 38

Name Relation Age Birth Year Where born
Smith, Henry Head 31 1840 Middlesex
Smith, Mary Wife 22 1849 Lancashire
Smith, Henry Son 2 1869 Lancashire
Smith, Isabella Daughter 0 1871 Lancashire
Windle, Jane Mother-In-Law 55 1816 Ireland
Howard, Catherine Niece 14 1857 Lancashire

1881 Census: Piece 3639 Folio 61 Page 56 – Toxteth Park
Name Relation Condition Age Birth Year Occupation Where born
Smith, Henry Head Married 42 1839 Labourer In Oil Mills (Cr) St Pancras, Middlesex
Smith, Mary Wife Married 30 1851 Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, Henry Son Single 12 1869 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, Isabella Daughter Single 10 1871 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, Alfred Son Single 8 1873 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, William T Son Single 5 1876 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, James E Son Single 3 1878 Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, Joseph Son Single 1 1880 Liverpool, Lancashire
Windle, Jane Mother In Law Widow 65 1816 Dressmaker Ireland


There is a birth for a Mary Windle in Oct 1851 in Wigan. Qtr Oct Vol 21 Page 866. If you buy the certificate it will tell you her father’s name (unless she was illegitimate). However, this may be a red herring as there appears to be a Mary Windle born about the same time with parents James and Ann. If you do decide to order a certificate specify the mother’s mother as Jane, and then you went be sent a wrong one, and if they can’t find the one you want you will get a refund.

1891 Census Piece 2924 Folio 9 Page 12 Jane is living on her own in Toxteth. I can’t see any records for her after this.

1891 Census Piece 2936 Folio 120 Page 22
Name Relation Condition Age Birth Year Occupation Where born
Smith, Henry P Head Married 51 1840 Seed Crusher Islington, London
Smith, Mary Wife Married 42 1849 Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, Henry Son Single 22 1869 Grocers Assistant Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, Alfred Son Single 18 1873 Oil Cake Pairer Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, William Son 15 1876 Shop Boy Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, James E Son 13 1878 Shop Boy Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, Joseph Son 11 1880 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, Robert Son 9 1882 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, Mary J Daughter 7 1884 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, David Son 4 1887 Liverpool, Lancashire

1901 Census Piece 3439 Folio 76 Page 35
Name Relation Condition Age Birth Year Occupation Where born
Smith, Henry Head Married 63 1838 Seed Crusher S Pancras, London
Smith, Mary Wife Married 53 1848 Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, William Son Single 25 1876 Sheeter Railway Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, James Son Single 23 1878 Oil Warehouseman Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, Joseph Son Single 21 1880 Pianoforte Shop Porter Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, Mary Daughter Single 17 1884 Liverpool, Lancashire
Smith, David Son 14 1887 Bread Shop Lad Liverpool, Lancashire

[Waitabit]

A Henry Parker Smith was bapt'd 18th Aug.1839 St.mary Lambeth .Born 16 June to Henry & Maria of chapel st, Father was a porter.

[Megan Roberts]

I had a look for Henry P Smith in the earlier census and think that this might be him in 1851:

Pk House, Church Street, Hackney, Tower Hamlets - Piece: 1505; Folio: 33; Page: 23

He's described as a scholar, although the address is not that specific I think that it was the poor house, as the adults are largely described as paupers. There do not appear to be any adult Smiths present.

[Mike B]

Thanks to Megan and Waitabit for your info. I had a quick look at FREEBMD and found a Charles Windle Married a Jane Johnson in Liverpool in 1847. Not sure if these are the right parents for Mary yet.