What happened to Paradise Row ?

[malcolm99]

Emma Jury, age 30, spinster of Plumsted married Thomas Day, age 40, widower, Cow Keeper of Plumsted at St Margarets Plumstead in Kent on 19th February 1862. Her father was Francis Jury, Lighterman. His father was William Day, a market gardener.
Source: Ancestry London Marriages.

Given Emma’s flexible approach to her age (27 in 1851 & 30 in 1861) could this be her?

This Emma & Thomas Day are in the 1871 Census at RG10 Piece 794 fol. 31 p. 1 – Emma is now 43 but interestingly her place of birth is given as St Georges Middlesex which matches her entry in the 1851 census.

[Ed McKie]

Thank you for that Malcolm. I may have seen this marriage before but discounted it due to the distance from Bow to Plumstead :-)
Also that she was left Doggett house for her lifetime so just assumed that she would stay there, not being able to sell it.
However, the father fits, so it must be her.
Will have to follow her through and see where it leads us.

cheers..Ed

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[Mutley]

There is a tree on the web, not sure if you know of it as it belongs to Elizabeth Abigail Marshall's line. (Emma's mother)
Elizabeth died at Doggett House in 1869, so I think you must know that to know it was there in 1869.

http://www.
gritquoy.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I145200&tree=001Master

I wonder who registered the death and if they continued to live there?

(P.S. Francis occupation and the fact that Francis was 21 years old when he won the Doggetts Race in 1809 lines up nicely with the house name)
Source: Guildhall Library - http://www.
history.ac.uk/gh/doggett.htm

[Mutley]

I cannot find the property in 1871. There are several Paradise Row addresses but not in Bow.

I think the terms of the will were that his wife (Elizabeth) lived in the house, then to Emma, then to George and then to descendants but none of them seemed to live there after Elizabeth's death.

George was at sea during most census. He married Elizabeth Orton in 1845. He became a bound waterman/lighterman 1871 - 1873 while living in Plimlico. Then I think he was in Islington Workhouse in 1891 and died 1892 and I cannot see a will.

If the house was demolished I doubt they got much for it. Not sure when compulsory purchase orders started.
I wonder if the insurance records show anything. I think most properties were insured by Sun Fire and I know some are indexed though not sure where the records are, maybe the National Archives or LMA.

[Ed McKie]

There is a tree on the web, not sure if you know of it as it belongs to Elizabeth Abigail Marshall's line. (Emma's mother)

Had a quick look at that, but trees with 43000 individuals on I find hard to cope with :-)

Elizabeth died at Doggett House in 1869, so I think you must know that to know it was there in 1869.

I wonder who registered the death and if they continued to live there?

Informant was M.A. Izod of Park Place, Bow, possibly a solicitor as have not been able to tie him in with the family.

(P.S. Francis occupation and the fact that Francis was 21 years old when he won the Doggetts Race in 1809 lines up nicely with the house name)

Well that was probably his naming when he moved from Wapping to the countryside of Bow :-)

[Ed McKie]

I cannot find the property in 1871. There are several Paradise Row addresses but not in Bow.

I think the terms of the will were that his wife (Elizabeth) lived in the house, then to Emma, then to George and then to descendants but none of them seemed to live there after Elizabeth's death.

George was at sea during most census. He married Elizabeth Orton in 1845. He became a bound waterman/lighterman 1871 - 1873 while living in Plimlico. Then I think he was in Islington Workhouse in 1891 and died 1892 and I cannot see a will.

Not sure when compulsory purchase orders started.
If the house was demolished I doubt they got much for it.

The house stood on quite a large block of land, but Francis parcelled up most of it amongst his children in his will. Nonethelss this would still have left quite a substantial property I would think. From what I can gather at this time the only bodies which had been givben CPO powers were railway companies and water undertakings, neither of which would be relavant here.

I wonder if the insurance records show anything. I think most properties were insured by Sun Fire and I know some are indexed though not sure where the records are, maybe the National Archives or LMA.

Sun policies are at the LMA and I had details of some Jury policies in Wapping but did not come across any for Francis except for his barge "Herring". This was some years ago now and I dont think that the indexing had been completed. Dredging up from my memory is a snippet that it was being done by a voluntary group. Now of course I cant even remember how to access the indexes aparft from going to the LMA.


Just another little twist here, George Jury had a daughter Frances, who on her second marriage, has her father listed as George DURY and two of the witnesses were also Durys.

cheers..Ed

[Mutley]

Sure is a difficult one Ed.
http://yourarchives.nationalarchives...reet_Index_P-R
TNA 1871 street Index lists a Paradise Cottages as being Gray Street (RG10/574) which is close to the Old Ford Road district numbers.

Following Peter's advice there is a pub called the Hand & Flower Public House at 72 Parnell Road, Bow and The Gunmakers Arms was situated at 438 Old Ford Road, both now gone.