Finding a street address in the 1891 census

[Cheryl Jones]

Ken, I'm about 45 minutes north of Hudson. In fact, I did my field training prior to ordination in Hudson. I am in another diocese, but continued after ordination to serve as their deacon for about 2 years (under two bishops) until the hurricane season made the long trip kind of touch-and-go. I returned to my home diocese and have been up here ever since. The people in Hudson are lovely, but the traffic is maddening.

[Cheryl Jones]

Pam,
Thank you for all of the links and suggestions. I cannot seem to email anyone from the websites, some message about "client not installed" when I click on the links. I've run into this problem frequently whilst trying to contact various people/organizations on your side of the pond. Very frustrating! But I'll keep trying...

[Sue Mackay]

Have just answered a query of Cheryl's tacked on to a Bakers in London thread, but as it relates to Stephen William Jones I thought I would copy it here, as I have suggested on that thread that further replies about Stephen be posted here to avoid duplication of effort. I don't know if the Stephen I've found is the right one, but obviously a few credits for FMP might indeed be well spent!

Below my reply from the other thread

My great grandfather Stephen William Jones (born somewhere in the London area about 1862) was enumerated as a baker in the 1891 census, a member of the 6th Dragoon Guards (Carabiniers). His father Frederick Jones (source: Stephen's marriage registration in 1890) was listed as a baker, but was deceased at the time of Stephen's marriage.

The pay per view site FindmyPast has original images of some army attestation papers, including a seven page document for a Stephen JONES, who enlisted into the 6th Dragoon Guards on 9 March 1886 aged 19. His birth place was given as Battersea, Surrey (now considered to be London). Sadly no next of kin is given, but a wealth of other information about his service is, including the fact that he had flags tattooed on both forearms, served in India, and was discharged in 1898. If you think this could possibly be your great grandfather (maybe his father was dead when he enlisted, hence the 'nil' for next of kin) then it might be worth investing in a few credits with FMP

[Sue Mackay]

Can I presume this is Stephen with wife Mary Ann and children Stephen, Rose, Charles, Mary Ann and George in 1901?

RG13; Piece: 2870; Folio: 45; Page: 34

Stephen now a gas fitter, born "Surrey, London" and living at 90 Lord Street, Aston?

The 1911 census also has a 49 year old widower Stephen Jones as an inmate in the Aston Union Workhouse, Union Road, Erdington, with birthplace Battersea. This might point to the attestation papers I found relating to him, even though the age is not quite right.
RG14/18370 RD385

[Sue Mackay]

The 1911 census also has a 49 year old widower Stephen Jones as an inmate in the Aston Union Workhouse, Union Road, Erdington, with birthplace Battersea. This might point to the attestation papers I found relating to him, even though the age is not quite right.
RG14/18370 RD385

If this is your Stephen then he may well have been a patient in the workhouse infirmary - the only sort of hospital the working classes could afford. The 1911 census for 47 Willis Street, Ashted, Birmingham shows his son Stephen living with his grandmother, now re-married. RG14; Piece: 18237
William Henry MORTON 68 boot repairer
Mary Ann MORTON 62 (married for 17 years)
Alfred John WILLS stepson 32 widower brass finisher
Alice WILLS 8 months granddaughter
Stephen JONES 19 grandson striker in iron trade

[Sue Mackay]

If this is your Stephen then he may well have been a patient in the workhouse infirmary - the only sort of hospital the working classes could afford.

On the other hand he could just have fallen on hard times. 13 year old Mary Ann Jones was also in the Erdington workhouse

[Sue Mackay]

Have just read through the service record on FMP again. Page 7 (medical history with hospital admissions) makes interesting reading, but most intersting is that it states that in 1890 (the year of your gt grandfather's marriage) he was stationed in Birmingham.

[Sue Mackay]

I realize that families moved frequently, but am hopeful that I can find some relative of his (his father Frederick Jones, occupation baker, was deceased at the time of his marriage). I don't know his mother's name, since it was not listed on the document.

There is a Public Tree on Ancestry which seems quite well backed up by documentary evidence. This states that Mary Ann died 16 August 1909 at 84 Lord Street of stomach cancer, aged 36, and Stephen died 22 August 1919 in the Sanatorium at Yardley Rd, Sparkbrook, Birmingham of TB and cardiac failure. Hardly surprising that in 1911 their children should have been farmed out all over the place.
Stephen William b 8 January 1892 (with grandmother as mentioned above)
Rose b 21 June 1894 (with her uncle Howard Wills RG14/18269) later emigrated to Canada
Charles Henry b 8 Feb 1896 (with aunt Amy Rushton nee Povey, sister of Mary Ann Povey/Wills/Morton RG14/18248) emigrated to Canada then USA
Mary Ann b 12 Mar 1898 (in Erdington workhouse as above)
George b 28 May 1898 1910 British Home Child to Canada from Middlemore Home (clearly something wrong with dob of either Mary Ann or George)
Frederick Howard b 19 Dec 1901 British Home Child to Canada from Middlemore Home
Alfred John b 16 May 1904 died 1909
May Alexandra b 1906
Leah Elsie b 2 Apr 1908 (with aunt Amy Rushton nee Povey, sister of Mary Ann Povey/Wills/Morton RG14/18248)

This tree lists the parents of Stephen as Frederick and Jane, presumably on the basis of the 1871 census RG10; Piece: 795; Folio: 21; Page: 33, but there doesn't appear to be proof that this is the correct family.

[Cheryl Jones]

Sue, thank you, thank you! You just gave me a nudge to purchase credits on FMP. I did find the attestation papers, but I could not find a way to save them. There were only three pages. I couldn't find the 7 page document. Do I need to build a tree first before I can save anything? I'm new to FMP.

[Cheryl Jones]

Sue, that is my tree on Ancestry! :~) I've worked hard on it in the past year or so, trying to document everything. The parents of Stephen are only speculation at this point -- I had to try out a few different couples that were possiblilies.

I have been in contact with a "cousin" who is a relative of Leah Elsie (the baby of the family) and at first she gave me information, but for the past few months has been in ill health and has not responded to emails or messages. I'm hoping that she improves greatly. She has answers to a lot of questions, I think.